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you're in the paracast the gold standard

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of paranormal radio

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and now

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now i have to assure you listeners that

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we

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have nothing to say

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about the fact that there is a tv show

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called once upon a time where all the

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fairy tale characters appear as

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what

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21st century human beings and everything

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in that show they have the seven dwarves

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one of whom is grumpy

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and i would not begin to presume to say

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that chris o'brien

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is meant to play grumpy but one of our

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listeners last week

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suggested you chris we're a little bit

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grumpy

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these days

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with that i'm surprised that uh

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he just noticed

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of course i'm grumpy i've been grumpy

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ever since i got involved in this whole

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i mean it you know it makes you itch in

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places you can't find a scratch and

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after 25 years of that you know it

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starts getting old well of course if

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you're really flexible you can scratch

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anywhere right well it doesn't work um

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no benadryl spray no calamine lotion

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seems to uh

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be able to help so

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i get grumpy

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now last week

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our interview with kevin randall was

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telling in many ways

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because it showed to all of us a growing

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disenchantment with

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the evidence in the roswell ufo crash

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now he's not ready to say oh it's a test

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aircraft or a balloon or something but a

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lot of areas where the evidence was

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supposedly compelling are no longer so

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compelling

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and i really have to wonder what our

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guest this week stanton friedman is

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going to say about that

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very interesting it should be very

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interesting one of the criticisms some

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of us have had about stan and we'd like

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stan he's been a dedicated ufo guy for

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so many years and he's certainly worked

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hard one of the criticisms is that he's

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reluctant to change his viewpoint

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in the face of contradictory evidence or

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negative evidence

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so i'm going to ask him about roswell

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also about why he continues apparently

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to support the aztec case he wrote the

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preface for the latest

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edition

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of the aztec book by

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scott and suzanne ramsey

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a lot of other things so we're

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definitely going to get into

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a wide range of subjects

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in any case we'll get into more of those

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subjects when stan joins us on the phone

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he doesn't use skype i don't think

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but we'll work on that in the meantime

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chris i gather that you're making some

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huge progress in the san luis valley

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camera project can you tell us more

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yeah i'm happy to say after

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several years many months we finally

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have the new base station location up

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and running where the only thing we have

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get the internet uh the port forwarding

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get the internet

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part of the equation uh dialed in the

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camera's up uh the heater is operating

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the ac unit in the environmental

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enclosure both those units are operating

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properly and

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it's now a matter of

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getting the the camera online

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we have uh two two separate teams that

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have been working on the software

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problems uh tweaking the software so

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you know we don't have false positives

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and and we can factor out mundane uh

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activity and uh it's dialed in for night

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time it's completed the software

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but we're still getting the bugs out of

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the daytime aspect of the software

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so yeah it's a big step forward finally

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our base station is camera is up

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and within the next week or so we're

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looking to get it online and uh and at

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least uh get a a stock feed up uh for

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now so people can take a look

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and uh then it's onwards and upwards uh

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next camera will be uh going up in

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at the great sand dunes oasis just just

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outside of the great sand dunes national

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and then the third camera there's still

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some question of where that's going to

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go i have a location in the crest stone

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area

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way up off the

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2 000 feet off the valley floor so that

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might end up being our third location i

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do have someone that's very very

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interested in helping us and has

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graciously offered their location

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you know as a as a camera spot so yeah

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good good news finally uh you know the

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weather broke up there and you know

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people's schedules all finally

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you know coincided so that we could uh

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you know at least get that first camera

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you know back up and running this will

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be our third location for the initial

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base station camera but it's full speed

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ahead so uh good news

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how long do you think it'll take before

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we can actually post a test feed

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honestly within within a week or so as

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soon as they get the ethernet um hooked

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we're going to be sending

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a small computer up there with the real

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shot manager software in there so that

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uh go ahead and then

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get that up on on the server we look

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forward to it and we look forward to the

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possibility

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it's going to over tax our server but i

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have a backup server

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and i think after we do the initial test

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we'll stick it on there

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so we don't run into any particular

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bandwidth problem it's also supposedly

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protected against distributed denial of

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service attacks excellent and all that

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other stuff that goes on

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so i hope we will be in pretty good

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shape it sounds absolutely sounds

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promising have you heard from mark

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rudiger at all i have not um i've left a

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number of

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messages uh for them and i have not

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heard a peep out of them we we played

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email tag there uh after the show and

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then uh they just kind of dropped off

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the map i have not heard any

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scuttlebutt about what's going on with

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the ufo data project um you know mark

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d'antonio and

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and uh you know douglas trumbull of

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we have been in touch with them uh

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they're both interested in getting

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involved with our uh you know grand

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trip that we're going to be doing down

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the river in october

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but in the meantime we'd love to uh you

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know dovetail our efforts with the

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surveillance

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setups with them and

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suggestions that sort of thing sort of

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help problem solve for each other

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now as we talk i was looking up here

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the

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project updates for ufo data

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at ufodata.net

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and there was one

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for 14 january 2016.

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i think that was the last one that was

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the last one

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a grant of five thousand dollars from

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the lucious farish trust

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which is quite fortuitous but supposedly

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according to this they haven't really

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begun their fundraising in earnest

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so this is not a project that's going to

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happen real quickly

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i'm suspecting reading this that they're

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in very early stages of planning and you

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might actually not see much coming from

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until next year or so at least that's

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yeah and i still don't know uh if they

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really have a clue what they're doing

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uh there is a a

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development curve that um

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you know we've been having to deal with

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that's very very difficult uh in order

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to get the proper uh tracking software

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connection with the department of

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you know pick apart the code and and

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tweak it so that

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object uh to show up

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instead of you know the size of a a body

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or a car in a parking lot that

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you know the real shop manager software

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is set up for security purposes and of

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few pixel range in order for the

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software to be

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a lot more difficult than than you would

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and i wonder also with ufo data what

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they're doing about the software in any

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we've got a fascinating show here we

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bring on someone who joins us every nine

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months or a year with an update

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he's the one the only stanton t friedman

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somebody i've known i guess since the

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when he first became really prominent

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involved in the roswell ufo research

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which is going to form the basis of some

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of our early questions

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going to ask them also the radiation

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whether there should have been tests to

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but let's get to our special guest today

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stan welcome back to the power cast

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first excited to be on again from

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beautiful downtown fredericton new

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brunswick got to put in a plug there

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the chamber of commerce is sending you a

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spiff right

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well yes uh

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remember i they even named the day after

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me here in fredericton several years ago

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so i got to say good things about him

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now is frederickson

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already ready for the onslaught of

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american expatriates if donald trump's

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well he couldn't find a nicer place to

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settle that is a bit of a problem but i

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don't find many people supporting him

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here

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but

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that's no surprise i guess canadians are

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okay

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there's also another fredericton by the

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way in new south wales

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so they really want to go probably named

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after the same king of england

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there's fredericksburg down in virginia

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as a matter of fact

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well this way if they don't want

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to go to canada because it's too close

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they can go to the other side of the

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world

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well yeah

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yeah i i've never seen an i'm an old guy

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and i've never seen an election campaign

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like this

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and people say we shouldn't be talking

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about politics and the power cast but

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you talk about politics whenever you

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talk about ufos and disclosure and

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things like that so let's get that out

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of the way i assume stan you've been

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monitoring

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the quotes from hillary clinton

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well i've been paying attention to that

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there's nothing really new there except

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that the press has treated it

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almost decently it's hard to believe but

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none of the weak wink stuff that you

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might have expected uh

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what about that first comment she made

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uh several months back right when this

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uh this whole thing kind of grew new

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legs shall we say

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when she mentioned area 54 in new mexico

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uh did you uh recall that particular no

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i don't remember yes

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area 54 in new mexico she's going to

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look into it

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yeah

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you sure somebody wasn't misquoting her

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uh

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it's i don't think so

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well i i can't tell you one way or

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another but

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you know the funny thing is she's always

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been pretty darn careful to throw in

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that if national security doesn't get in

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the way

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she she hasn't said we need to release

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everything and i'm going to do it if i

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get elected

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she's always been cautious about that

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and having been secretary of state and

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obviously had a security clearance for

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that position uh

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she's got good sense about such things

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well the issue of course being

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that she's also a lawyer but i'm just

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assuming with the thing about area 54

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she misspoke

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that's all

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people make i mean i hate to admit it

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but i've made a mistake on occasion or

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two or three no or not no say it ain't

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so stan

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not very often i try okay

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with regard to clinton nothing new in

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what she said

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obviously she has the national security

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dodge

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just in case

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they feel the need to raise that

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remember that there is a national

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security thing here uh

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let's face it if we've learned any

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technology from recovering the wreckage

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of crash flying saucers at roswell or

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the plains of san agustin or aztec

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or any other places we might have picked

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up one

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should we be putting that on the out on

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the table if the russians and chinese

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aren't putting out what they have

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learned

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if we have obtained many measurements as

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i'm sure we have

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of the characteristics of sausages

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observed from airplanes chasing them

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uh should we put that out on the table

484
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if we have figured i don't think so

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uh so i think there is a legitimate

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national security interest here let's

487
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face it all the fancy systems that i

488
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would like to use to obtain data are

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owned by the government i don't have my

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own radar installations or my own

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airplanes with fancy cameras and

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electromagnetic detectors etc

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able to put them wherever i pleased to

494
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chase ufos

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i don't have any of those

496
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so it's up to the government that's

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national security what do you think by

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the way stan just moved

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past this what do you think by the way

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stan of some of these efforts to set up

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private networks of ufo detectors and we

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know our own chris o'brien is setting up

503
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cameras in the san luis valley with the

504
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san luis valley camera project but also

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mark roderger and leslie kane with ufo

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data we interviewed somebody just a few

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weeks ago they're launching a satellite

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into low earth orbit

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to check on ufos

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do you think the technology is advanced

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enough for private people to do this

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well if you can afford it i mean

513
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the thing is you know what are you going

514
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to do wait until one flies over your

515
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head or you're gonna have them in orbit

516
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all the time just ready to pull the

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trigger so to speak on the cameras and

518
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the radar and all the rest of that

519
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uh

520
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it's expensive to maintain surveillance

521
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uh over a period of time you know once a

522
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week isn't going to do it

523
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kind of thing

524
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you also need a communication network

525
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uh

526
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and you know

527
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if they can do that that's fine i i

528
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don't object to that i think it's nice

529
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to get data look in the course of my

530
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lecturing all over the place i have on

531
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seven different occasions heard about

532
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pilots that were set up after ufos from

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military bases and never returned

534
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so

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you know

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and remember what

537
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general bolander said

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reports of ufos which could affect

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national security

540
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are made in accordance with jane epplin

541
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46 or air force

542
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manual 55-11 and are not part of the

543
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blue book system

544
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so when i talk to him and i don't know

545
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anybody else who has i wish i did know

546
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somebody else who has talked about under

547
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his dead now and you can't have them on

548
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your program sorry well we can get a

549
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ouija board or maybe do some channeling

550
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but i'm not serious

551
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that would be neat wouldn't it he was a

552
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nice guy i called i located him without

553
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too much trouble it's a lot easier to

554
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find an air force general named carol

555
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bolander than

556
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somebody named tom smith or jon jones or

557
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something like that you know

558
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and

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remember he said that

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even if we close project blue book the

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public

562
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won't have a place to report ufo

563
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sightings however as previously noted

564
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reports which could affect national

565
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security

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which to my mind are the most important

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ones because that means they're doing

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something significant in the larger

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scheme of things reports which could

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affect national security will continue

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to be investigated using procedures

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designed for that purpose

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in our next segment stan

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i want to ask you

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more about

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aztec

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and why you favor favorite and the

578
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reason i'll do that is because we've had

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a number of discussions in the power

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cast we've had scott ramsey and suzanne

581
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,240
ramsey becca had lunch with scott ramsey

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i think a year or two back there's now a

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second edition of his book out

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for a major publisher

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but we also know that our good friend

586
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,000
kevin randall has never ever

587
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been in favor of the possibility of

588
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,360
aztecs so we're going to ask you about

589
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that but first we do a break

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with gina and chris and stanton friedman

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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

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encyclopedia and other books you're

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listening to the purecast

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we returned with stanton friedman on the

700
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power cast with gene and chris so i want

701
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,799
to bring up aztec you wrote the preface

702
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,200
yes for scott's book yes you accept

703
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:44,799
there's something to it

704
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but very much so okay now i read the

705
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first book i read some of the second

706
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,279
book i don't really see where the

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differences are yet

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00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:55,279
because a lot of the sources he's

709
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talking to are really second third hand

710
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,399
and kevin randle doesn't believe a word

711
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,720
of it i know kevin doesn't there are a

712
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,399
lot of things he doesn't believe that

713
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:06,159
playing to san agustin had a crash

714
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,039
either

715
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:09,679
that's his problem it's not mine

716
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,799
remember kevin is primarily a writer of

717
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:14,880
fiction more than 80 books to his credit

718
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,679
and i

719
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,760
i respect that because i haven't written

720
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,600
any fiction it's

721
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,440
way ahead of me

722
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,080
but uh and i don't expect i'm gonna

723
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,240
catch up because i have no intention of

724
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,640
trying to write fiction i believe have

725
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,640
facts in hand before putting the

726
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,480
computer in gear

727
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,799
uh and i don't think kevin has done his

728
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,399
homework about

729
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:38,080
uh aztec

730
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:38,799
and

731
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,600
i i you know i must admit that uh scott

732
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:43,919
and suzanne had a big advantage in the

733
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,399
sense that suzanne's family was living

734
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,880
in that part of new mexico

735
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,240
so it was a lot easier for them to

736
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:52,159
travel and stay someplace you know and

737
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:53,520
get people to

738
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,279
contact them and all that sort of thing

739
00:29:02,950 --> 00:28:59,679
that that's a big help because it's it's

740
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,960
a big effort remember they also found a

741
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,960
whole host of papers that nobody else

742
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,679
had ever found at an archive

743
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,960
uh

744
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,919
and so

745
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,159
i admit there's a lot of obscurity

746
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:14,880
connected with aztec

747
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:18,159
because uh that reporter was

748
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,320
uh how shall we put it evilly motivated

749
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:24,559
when he didn't get a shot at the story

750
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,440
from

751
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,799
the guys that were doing the original

752
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,440
reasons that's khan who wrote the

753
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:31,919
rebuttal to aztec

754
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,000
i was about to have a further discussion

755
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,000
with stan and then he disappeared

756
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,520
because you would have heard a busy

757
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,679
signal on the line

758
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,840
suddenly you're not there and there's a

759
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:43,279
busy signal

760
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:49,430
they don't like us talking about aztec

761
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,039
okay oh so the guy was what jp khan

762
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,120
who wrote an article i guess for true

763
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:57,360
magazine or something magazine right

764
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:58,399
where he

765
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,760
disputed all the facts about aztec

766
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,000
now the contention made by the ramses is

767
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,760
that he was what

768
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,640
deprived of access to the original story

769
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,720
so he was jealous

770
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:13,360
yeah he wanted to he wanted the right to

771
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,159
tell them a story and they weren't

772
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,799
not put the ramseys but the original uh

773
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,159
people weren't

774
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,799
giving him what he wanted so he turned

775
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,559
around and attacked

776
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,200
mad dog sort of situation

777
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,960
uh

778
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:30,320
it

779
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,440
you know

780
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:33,200
you can't take the human element out of

781
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,919
ufology all too often it's the material

782
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,200
uh

783
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,360
and you can get by with all kinds of

784
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,000
sleazy things in ufology because you

785
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,480
know there aren't any watchdogs if you

786
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:47,679
will

787
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,720
uh

788
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,279
i can't help that and it's a little late

789
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,440
and i think scott and suzanne's work

790
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,279
stands on its own

791
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,360
and i think they've done one heck of a

792
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:00,080
job and i don't think kevin has really

793
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,080
read the book to be careful about it

794
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,919
there's there's one major problem though

795
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:07,600
at least for me

796
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:10,640
and that is we can find no reference to

797
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,799
the case prior to frank scully's book

798
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,960
so what does that mean

799
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,760
well i mean you would think something

800
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,480
occurring like that in a small town

801
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,440
you would have some sort of sources uh

802
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:26,799
that you could

803
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:30,399
uh produce that um predate the first uh

804
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:34,640
you know public knowledge or public

805
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,039
you know portrayal of evidence is not

806
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:39,679
evidence for absence you know one of my

807
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,640
favorite

808
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,039
things

809
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,960
yeah well with roswell of course we've

810
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,640
got tons of

811
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,399
tons of evidence that something actually

812
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,799
did occur with aztec it appears out of

813
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,789
i can't help it

814
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:59,350
it was ignored for a long time there was

815
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,480
a lot of

816
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,880
how shall i put this disinformation put

817
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:04,320
out

818
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,279
uh

819
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,600
you know people were claimed to have

820
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,760
been shown to be fraudsters and you know

821
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,760
it was all that stuff in colorado and

822
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,039
all that stuff

823
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,039
uh

824
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,440
i'm saying let's look at the data that's

825
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:18,880
been

826
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,159
turned up by the ramses

827
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:24,799
and i have yet to find any reason to

828
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,120
discount anything that scott and suzanne

829
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,880
have written

830
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,960
okay if we're looking at aztec just very

831
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,480
briefly

832
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,000
and i want to get to roswell and other

833
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,799
things looking at aztec very briefly

834
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,159
what do you think

835
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,720
are the cornerstones of this case the

836
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,720
thing that make it

837
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,640
apparent to you that something strange

838
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,200
happened there

839
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:49,120
well

840
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,000
eyewitness testimony of course but

841
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,840
uh from a lot of different people and

842
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:56,000
and the ramsey's dug out a lot of people

843
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,720
i

844
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,600
you know

845
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,039
small towns

846
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,039
don't take too kindly to strangers

847
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:02,880
coming in from outside and that's why i

848
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,279
mentioned the fact that suzanne's family

849
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,440
is from up that way and so they had

850
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,120
people who knew people and could get

851
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:10,640
them to talk

852
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,600
uh which is often a real problem

853
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:14,799
uh

854
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:17,519
and i think they've done a bang-up job i

855
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,559
recommend anybody read the book

856
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,039
and that they dug out all these papers

857
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,080
that were found in an archive

858
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,159
that came as quite a shock when i heard

859
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:29,679
about that

860
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,480
uh

861
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,799
you know there's new

862
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:35,200
information that wasn't in any of the

863
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,840
previous

864
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:38,880
books uh

865
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,600
and the thing is what's the big deal so

866
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:43,760
another saucer crashed

867
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,559
uh

868
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,039
they were coming down in a lot of places

869
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:49,360
we know well look at kicksburg and all

870
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:50,840
that stuff

871
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,880
uh and when i was down in brazil on a

872
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,039
to attend a conference

873
00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:59,519
i heard about a crash down there

874
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,480
just happened to be in the area uh

875
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,720
roger leaguer did some follow-up on that

876
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,880
talking to people doctors

877
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,520
bodies all that sort of stuff

878
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,599
uh

879
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,520
you know it's not as if

880
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:15,760
i i get people who

881
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:18,639
are so surprised about though i just got

882
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,000
a note today from somebody well there

883
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,119
haven't been any sightings around here

884
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,760
everywhere i've gone

885
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:27,359
lecturing

886
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,000
that's 18 countries and 50 states and 10

887
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,679
provinces

888
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,159
when i ask for people

889
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:38,000
to raise their hand if they've had a

890
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:39,119
sighting

891
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,200
percent of the audience the problem

892
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,550
when i ask how many of you reported it

893
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,800
90 of the hands go down

894
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,200
fear of ridicule is a major determining

895
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,200
factor here

896
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:57,760
and so it's no surprise that people

897
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,640
aren't aware of all that's been going on

898
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:03,040
why would it be how many people like to

899
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,510
let's move into

900
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,760
roswell briefly and i want to spend a

901
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,200
lot of time on because it's something

902
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,880
we've covered so often but i'm bringing

903
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,359
it up because of our friend kevin

904
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,119
randall again

905
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,440
and i saw very much in our discussions

906
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,800
with him

907
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:24,400
last week and he has a new book coming

908
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,440
out called roswell in the 21st century

909
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,680
that he's kind of i haven't seen that

910
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,599
it's coming out in a few months i gather

911
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:33,760
i haven't seen it listed online yet

912
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,560
but

913
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,720
he said he tried to look at the case as

914
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,800
a cold case which originally they were

915
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,640
going to do with that roswell dream team

916
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:42,240
that fell apart

917
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,040
yeah

918
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,680
and he is really

919
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,839
sounding to me as if he's come to

920
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,599
disbelieve a lot of what we've heard

921
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,280
about roswell not that he totally

922
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,440
dismisses the possibility

923
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:55,520
that an alien craft may have crashed

924
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:56,720
there

925
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,520
but that a lot of the linchpins of

926
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,800
evidence

927
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,720
he doesn't accept quite as much as he

928
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,480
used to

929
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,400
now obviously that's his impression have

930
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:08,079
you followed what he's written online

931
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:09,839
about this

932
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,349
tell me something

933
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,079
well i'm serious now

934
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:20,240
well you mentioned jesse marcel senior

935
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:23,599
who he said was prone to exaggerate

936
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,800
i think that was a huge complaint of his

937
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:28,480
so we can start with that

938
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,280
also when it comes to stories about

939
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:32,880
alleged

940
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,000
crash victims aliens whatever

941
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:38,160
he says he was able to poke a hole

942
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through

943
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,040
all or most of those claims i'm just

944
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:43,040
phrasing the beginning of it

945
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,240
and i'd like you to listen to the

946
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episode when you get a chance stan but

947
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maybe you can tell us more

948
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we have stanton friedman with gene and

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chris you're in the paracast

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this is valley you're listening to the

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paracast

1051
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so are there new questions about roswell

1052
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,480
or what

1053
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,640
stan are there elements about roswell

1054
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,480
that you over the years have come to

1055
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,000
find less credible

1056
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,280
oh that's a a difficult question there

1057
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,119
are some there's so much stuff that's

1058
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,280
been published out there

1059
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,359
i mean i just somebody asked me so i had

1060
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:57,040
to look up what i'd written about annie

1061
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,839
jacobson's book about area 51 which

1062
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,280
explains roswell uh

1063
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:04,880
in one of the

1064
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:07,839
craziest explanations i've ever heard

1065
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,400
with nothing to support

1066
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,640
now i haven't read the book i have been

1067
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:14,240
meaning to because we'd like to get her

1068
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,359
on the show

1069
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,000
what does she conclude about the case

1070
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:21,200
well that basically uh joe stalin you

1071
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:22,720
remember uncle joe

1072
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,960
convinced dr mengele of dr death

1073
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:27,920
to

1074
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,119
prepare a bunch of 13 year old boys

1075
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,240
disfigured and alien looking

1076
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,880
and somehow managed to get them into a

1077
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,280
craft which was flown and crashed in

1078
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:41,280
order to produce

1079
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:44,720
war the world's type panic

1080
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,599
now

1081
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,440
when you think about that you realize

1082
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,280
that you know war of the worlds there

1083
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,119
was a certain amount of panic because

1084
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,839
the report was this was in new jersey

1085
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,079
where the most densely populated of all

1086
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:58,240
the states mind you so you put out a

1087
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,200
report

1088
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,920
1938 no television you put out like a

1089
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,000
radio news report

1090
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,640
and aliens have attacked and they're

1091
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,480
destroying things

1092
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,400
it wouldn't be surprising if some people

1093
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,400
got scared and there are a lot of people

1094
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,400
in that part of the world

1095
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,720
now he's talking about the orson welles

1096
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,680
h.g wells broadcast on radio it was

1097
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,920
presented as a docudrama

1098
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:22,800
so

1099
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:27,599
heard and obviously i wasn't around

1100
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,440
when that happened and i guess you i was

1101
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,280
in new jersey i didn't know a damn thing

1102
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,119
about it

1103
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,200
okay the thing is here is that the

1104
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,119
amount of panic

1105
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,240
they say is exaggerated it wasn't as bad

1106
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,000
near as bad as

1107
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,760
it was supposed to be

1108
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,280
i agree

1109
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,480
all i'm saying is annie's suggestion

1110
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,640
that the russians were trying to emulate

1111
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,800
that and cause panic out in the middle

1112
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,200
of nowhere

1113
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,359
new mexico is one of the least densely

1114
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,000
populated of all the states

1115
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,400
there's nobody to see anything you know

1116
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,079
there are a few installations there are

1117
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,760
a few towns

1118
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,880
but very few people and certainly no

1119
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,480
panic

1120
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,800
and is it just a coincidence that it's

1121
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,640
near the only

1122
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,280
atomic bombing group in the entire world

1123
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,359
i don't think so

1124
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,800
uh

1125
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,960
you know or if where would aliens be

1126
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,960
looking around the planet

1127
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,640
but once they discovered large

1128
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,359
quantities of radioactivity you can pick

1129
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:31,359
it up in the atmosphere you can fly over

1130
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:34,000
and whoops there's a bunch

1131
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,520
and when you think in retrospect

1132
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:37,920
incidentally we've exploded 2 000

1133
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:41,440
nuclear warheads on this planet

1134
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:42,720
uh

1135
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,079
not only the russians would be

1136
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,200
interested in roswell and

1137
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:50,880
karali of

1138
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,920
their the big russian space scientists

1139
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:56,079
uh i'll call them the werner von braun

1140
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,000
of russia

1141
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:01,200
said that they had spies in albuquerque

1142
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,560
there and

1143
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,319
the two of the three nuclear weapons

1144
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,680
labs in the united states are in new

1145
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:07,920
mexico after all

1146
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,119
but i couldn't find anything to support

1147
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,040
uh any jacobson's

1148
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:18,550
and other people have suggested they

1149
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:19,839
were measuring

1150
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:22,800
uh radiation levels to check

1151
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,480
that they put people in a craft

1152
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,640
uh nick redfern suggested this as a

1153
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,720
matter of fact uh

1154
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,560
they were checking on radio the effects

1155
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,400
of radiation on people well i worked in

1156
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,240
radiation shielding

1157
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,920
very much concerned with the effects of

1158
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,839
radiation on people

1159
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,319
and you would never do an experiment

1160
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,319
like that you measure radiation levels

1161
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:46,079
around the known source you don't sick

1162
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,440
people out there

1163
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,280
people are very all over the place and

1164
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,440
how they react to radiation same dose

1165
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,560
can give you

1166
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,520
a huge difference in the effect

1167
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,280
i want to ask you about the radiation in

1168
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,359
a moment but first go back

1169
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,760
to jesse marcel senior certainly one of

1170
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,079
the key witnesses here

1171
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,319
i was the first to talk to him yes right

1172
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,880
you talked to him in the late 70s this

1173
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,319
spear

1174
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,480
the investigation

1175
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,240
what do you think about kevin's

1176
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,000
contention that he was prone to

1177
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:17,839
exaggerate a lot

1178
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:20,800
well i think that's overdone

1179
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,000
i think you know it's like i can say

1180
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,760
this happened the other day

1181
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,599
uh talking about frequent flyer miles

1182
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,560
and i can say i flew a million miles on

1183
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,000
delta

1184
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,839
was i flying the airplane

1185
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,040
no

1186
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,800
i was flown on the airplane

1187
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:40,400
and so some of

1188
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,119
the

1189
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,680
supposed exaggeration

1190
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:46,319
has to do with flying as

1191
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,280
being in the plane as opposed to

1192
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:51,839
being the pilot of the plane

1193
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:53,839
and there's no question kevin's a pilot

1194
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,720
i'm not questioning that

1195
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:58,960
but i think jesse did fly a lot of miles

1196
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,079
in airplanes in the war

1197
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:04,319
preceding roswell i don't mean after the

1198
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,440
suspect

1199
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,560
crashed

1200
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:09,040
yeah one of his contentions kevin is the

1201
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,800
amount of hours

1202
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,200
that he claims to have spent flying

1203
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:17,750
and

1204
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,560
look

1205
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,640
uh i i accept

1206
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,319
his son's account

1207
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,280
jesse marcel jr was a pilot we know that

1208
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,119
we know that he served in

1209
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:28,720
uh afghanistan and so we're the

1210
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,599
helicopter pilot 225 combat hours and

1211
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:33,520
all that sort of stuff

1212
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:34,960
uh

1213
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:39,200
but i think it's true that jesse marcel

1214
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:40,560
senior

1215
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,839
flew in combat planes in the war

1216
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,040
there were a lot of guys who flew in

1217
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:47,920
combat planes who weren't pilots

1218
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,960
you know crew members the gunners

1219
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,359
the navigators uh all these kind of

1220
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,800
bombardiers

1221
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,880
they're not flying the plane

1222
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,240
although some of the bombardiers

1223
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:59,680
sometimes control the course of the

1224
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:02,000
plane

1225
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,880
so

1226
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,040
the question of

1227
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,480
exaggeration

1228
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,880
the big question is was there a crash

1229
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:11,280
was jesse involved

1230
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,400
did he

1231
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:15,119
get approached by the sheriff

1232
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,640
etc

1233
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:18,400
and the answer is yes

1234
00:48:20,550 --> 00:48:19,280
and

1235
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,560
did

1236
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,319
colonel blanchard

1237
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:24,319
say good things about jesse the answer

1238
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,680
is yes he was the commander of the 509.

1239
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:30,079
and you know who was it i remember who

1240
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,040
it was

1241
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,240
some well uh joe nichol when he talks

1242
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,400
about roswell and i've been on the other

1243
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,079
end of a conversation where somebody was

1244
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,000
interviewing us both at the same time in

1245
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,680
different places

1246
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,240
where he neglects to mention that the

1247
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,480
509th was the most elite military group

1248
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,040
in the world that's a very important

1249
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,520
consideration here he's wearing a bunch

1250
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,440
of gi's with sitting around with nothing

1251
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,640
better to do than make up crazy stories

1252
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,760
uh

1253
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,400
and jesse was there's no question that

1254
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:02,720
he was the intelligence officer the

1255
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,069
not just jesse

1256
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:11,040
and he never bragged about being a pilot

1257
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,240
to me

1258
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:13,839
frankly

1259
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,640
when we talked about this

1260
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,480
i was in his home

1261
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,440
he's in my movie ufos are real

1262
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,599
you know i first heard about him because

1263
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,359
the station manager at a television

1264
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,599
station in baton rouge louisiana told me

1265
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,040
about him

1266
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,800
out of the blue because a reporter was

1267
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,400
supposed to interview me the third one

1268
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,319
i'd done two interviews the third one

1269
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,839
was nowhere to be found and this is

1270
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,520
before everybody had a cell phone i

1271
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,119
still don't have one

1272
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,280
and so the station managers give me

1273
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,200
coffee and out of the blue mentions the

1274
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,720
guy you ought to talk to was jesse

1275
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,400
marcel

1276
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,680
who's he

1277
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,960
he handled records you're one of those

1278
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,720
saucers you're interested in when he was

1279
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,640
in the military what

1280
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,240
what do you know about him well he lives

1281
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,920
over in houma

1282
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,359
the troubles i didn't know where houma

1283
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,040
was i mean it was in

1284
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:01,440
louisiana but

1285
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,800
and he's a real good guy we're ham radio

1286
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,160
buddies

1287
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,400
now i found out later

1288
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:10,000
by checking

1289
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:10,800
that

1290
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,920
jesse hadn't told uh the guy anything he

1291
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,240
had seen the article in the

1292
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,480
uh it's a fancy name for a newspaper in

1293
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:20,000
new orleans

1294
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,200
uh

1295
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,880
and that back at that time some people

1296
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,400
may be old enough to remember this if

1297
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,240
you talked about gis you gave their

1298
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,079
hometowns

1299
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,720
and so that's how he found out about it

1300
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,920
and this is

1301
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,359
a couple years later when i talked to

1302
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:35,119
this guy again

1303
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:36,400
bill allen

1304
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,680
i said what did he tell you he didn't

1305
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,280
tell me anything he said i can't talk

1306
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:40,880
about that

1307
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,079
now when i talked to jesse in 1978

1308
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:45,599
the first time

1309
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,559
uh

1310
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,240
you know

1311
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,880
things were a bit different

1312
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,800
in terms of you know most many of the

1313
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:54,960
key people were dead blanchard was dead

1314
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:58,319
certainly general ramey was dead

1315
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,240
but remember i was the one who dug out

1316
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:04,880
then colonel later general thomas

1317
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,119
jefferson dubose

1318
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,359
he was the one with raymie in the famous

1319
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,200
picture of them in the office with the

1320
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,119
supposed wreckage

1321
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,839
uh i figured maybe the guy's alive i

1322
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,760
knew a bunch of other guys weren't so

1323
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,599
let's go look for him and i found him

1324
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,440
talk to him in person

1325
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,000
filmed him he's in my movie

1326
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,800
recollections of roswell that's the fun

1327
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,440
uh ufo research put together

1328
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,280
we have a bunch more questions to ask

1329
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,880
stan about this

1330
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,640
and then we'll move on to other subjects

1331
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,359
more recent stuff about disclosure and a

1332
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,920
lot more we have stanton t freeman

1333
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,000
joining us on the show this week you're

1334
00:51:48,930 --> 00:51:44,319
on with gene and with chris you're in

1335
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[Music]

1336
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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and now

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okay with gene and chris and the

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powercast as you know we have a place in

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our forums

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at

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forum.thepowercast.com

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00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,880
called the question bank

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00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,400
where when we have time we don't always

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00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:36,880
have time you can ask questions of our

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00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,760
guests chris well we have a question for

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00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,240
you we were talking about you know just

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00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,720
the concept of these uh

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00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,720
mysterious craft crashing

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00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:48,880
and this question uh stan comes from

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00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,319
greer's meeting planner

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00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,920
that's what he calls himself from sydney

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00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:55,440
australia he's been a member of the

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00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,240
forum for almost a year

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00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,000
and

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00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,640
he's wondering given the advanced nature

1419
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,240
of a technology that could achieve

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00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:06,240
interstellar travel how likely do you

1421
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,960
think

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00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:09,119
that it would fail upon arrival at earth

1423
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,400
even our primitive flying earth

1424
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:12,559
technology has redundant systems and

1425
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,800
crashes are one in a million events

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00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:16,800
surely the prospect of advanced systems

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00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:18,839
failing so completely is

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00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,520
preposterous uh and then he was

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00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,200
wondering about the you were mentioning

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00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,599
the radar explanation uh being used to

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00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,839
describe the reason for the crash

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00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,280
well let me

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00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,680
correct the first impression here

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00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,000
i have not the slightest reason at all

1435
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,000
to think that what crash came here

1436
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,839
directly flying

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00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,079
being flown if you will

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00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,319
from another solar system

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00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,640
i think we got motherships here

1440
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,079
remember that case out west

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00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:48,720
triangulation by a civil engineer

1442
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,079
showed the thing was between 0.6 and 1.2

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00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,400
miles long

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00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:56,559
loads of little earth excursion modules

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00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,599
on board and we have in our own navy we

1446
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,640
have a direct analogy of that the navy

1447
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,119
has nuclear powered aircraft carriers

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00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:07,200
big old monsters over a thousand feet

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00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:08,480
long

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00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,359
that carry about well 75 little

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00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:12,559
airplanes

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00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,400
the carrier can operate for 18 years

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00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,480
without refueling

1454
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,319
and as far as i know has never been

1455
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,160
observed to fly

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00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,240
little airplanes can operate for what an

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00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,079
hour two hours

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00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:28,480
and they never operate on the water

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00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,680
they fly

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00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:31,680
just the carrier and it operates in the

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00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:32,720
air

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00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,920
so but

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00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,160
we have a separate question in other

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00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:39,200
words we cannot presume by well

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00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,119
to give you a database look at ted

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00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,280
phillips data

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00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:45,920
on physical trace cases he's collected

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00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,599
like 5 000 of them from 80 countries

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00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,359
and all of these things are under 100

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00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,119
feet in diameter

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00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:55,520
not 600 they're under 100 feet in

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00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,160
diameter and people have observed

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00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,799
several objects coming out of a huge

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00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,160
mothership if you'll garden the

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00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:04,640
expression

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00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:08,480
so it is incorrect to assume

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00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,280
that

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00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,760
what crashed at roswell or kecksburg or

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00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,440
any place else

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00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:16,720
was an interstellar propulsion that had

1481
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,599
an interstellar propulsion system

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00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,400
just as the airplanes on board the

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00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,240
aircraft carrier

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00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,040
don't have the capability of carrying a

1485
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:28,880
bunch of little airplanes

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00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,359
and have steaming full tilt for 18 years

1487
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,520
which is quite remarkable frankly if

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00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:35,839
you're a ship captain

1489
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,280
so that objection does not hold water

1490
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,680
it's based on a false assumption

1491
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,760
let me ask you here when this thing

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00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,760
crashed did they have people coming over

1493
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:47,040
and taking

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00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,720
radiation readings to make sure there

1495
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,480
were no harmful

1496
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,400
amounts of radiation what about checking

1497
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:55,119
for alien microbes impossible

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00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:57,440
we have no idea nobody has ever

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00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,839
published the results of the analysis of

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00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:01,119
the wreckage

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00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,799
and i doubt if they were looking for

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00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:04,240
microbes

1503
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,119
you know

1504
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,799
that makes no sense to me that that

1505
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,040
would be your first concern i think look

1506
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,359
colonel blanchard told jesse to take

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00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,119
with him the counter-intelligence corps

1508
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,200
guy sheridan cabot

1509
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:17,280
why because he was worried that these

1510
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,799
were spies from some other country

1511
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:22,400
and it turns out incidentally the

1512
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,280
russians did have spots at los alamos

1513
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:27,359
and a few other places

1514
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:28,880
but because

1515
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,760
the roswell the 509th was unique in the

1516
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:33,280
world

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00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,160
and i

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00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:36,000
don't say that lightly but remember the

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00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:38,319
russians didn't test an atomic bomb

1520
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,000
until 1949. our first ones were in 45

1521
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,880
and it was the 509th that carried them

1522
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:46,480
that set them off

1523
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,760
in operation crossroads in 46 the 509th

1524
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,440
was in charge

1525
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,599
the only group that had access to

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00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,160
nuclear weapons in the world at the time

1527
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,920
of the crash

1528
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,960
so

1529
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,440
a very special group

1530
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:03,760
and i can understand blanchard's concern

1531
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:06,880
i mean new mexico is so empty of people

1532
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,440
that you figure spies would camp out

1533
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,760
someplace and keep their eyes on it you

1534
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:13,440
know the guys with the

1535
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,720
i won't say night vision goggles but

1536
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:18,720
good binoculars checking out what's

1537
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,680
happening at roswell so you know

1538
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,880
let's get

1539
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:24,880
the concept square

1540
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,440
this was a unique location on the entire

1541
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,359
planet earth

1542
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,119
what they did about it

1543
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,520
we haven't seen any reports i'm sure

1544
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:35,119
that ones were written

1545
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:36,559
can you believe that there weren't ones

1546
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:39,200
written come on you know and whether you

1547
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:41,599
agree with kevin or myself isn't the

1548
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,920
point any information about what was

1549
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:45,359
going on there would have been

1550
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,880
classified

1551
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,559
for good reason but we have no

1552
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,400
indication that anybody in the recovery

1553
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,040
crews were equipped with um

1554
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,680
with the equipment to

1555
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:57,280
protect themselves from any possible

1556
01:00:01,829 --> 01:00:00,319
radiation or there's no mention of

1557
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:01,839
radiation where would there be such a

1558
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:03,680
mention i don't have any classified

1559
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,599
reports made by the guys who were

1560
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:07,760
involved in the recovery

1561
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:08,960
do you

1562
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:10,720
know but there were witnesses uh that

1563
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,200
described the operation

1564
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,440
where were these witnesses

1565
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,359
the thing crashed out in the middle of

1566
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:19,520
nowhere

1567
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,240
there was nobody living down the street

1568
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:24,160
there wasn't a scout troop camped out

1569
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,760
there

1570
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,839
or maybe because mac browser wasn't

1571
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,359
suffering from

1572
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,960
radiation sickness they assumed there

1573
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:32,720
was none

1574
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,880
look they had means for measuring

1575
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:36,720
there's no question that the 509 could

1576
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:39,520
measure radiation

1577
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:42,400
could use radiation detectors

1578
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:43,680
because they were worried about their

1579
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,480
own systems they had nuclear weapons on

1580
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:48,240
base

1581
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,440
uh

1582
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,760
it was unique

1583
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,720
well

1584
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,799
there's meetings now when you mention

1585
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,119
biological stuff that's probably another

1586
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,799
matter entirely

1587
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:00,960
and remember we don't have reports from

1588
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,920
the medical personnel the biological

1589
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,880
team

1590
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,480
that examined the bodies we don't know

1591
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,319
what measurements they made what tests

1592
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:11,200
they ran on the flesh yeah it's flesh a

1593
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:16,950
but uh you know

1594
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,599
is it the biological matter of aliens

1595
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,839
should it be called flesh or not i don't

1596
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:23,040
know

1597
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,559
uh

1598
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,400
but what i'm saying is there's a big

1599
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,960
hole here we don't have any of the

1600
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:30,240
reports

1601
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,440
and there had to be plenty of them

1602
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:35,200
that described the examination of the

1603
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:36,240
bodies

1604
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:40,400
the examination of the pieces of metal

1605
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,359
uh and you know

1606
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:45,280
my people have asked what would you do

1607
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:47,440
if you knew about the crash well i'd

1608
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:50,240
send a bunch of pieces to classified

1609
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:53,760
laboratories my first question would be

1610
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,799
what's this stuff made out of

1611
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,559
and you don't tell the guy who gets it

1612
01:02:03,030 --> 01:02:00,720
where it comes from

1613
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,040
let him think it's from a spy

1614
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,720
who knows

1615
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:06,720
the second question when the guy comes

1616
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,920
back and says

1617
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,319
let me give you a specific example here

1618
01:02:13,030 --> 01:02:12,160
uh which i think is a valid one if it

1619
01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:13,040
happens

1620
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:15,280
uh it's a combination of samarium and

1621
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:17,359
cobalt now why the hell would anybody

1622
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,160
put those two things together that's not

1623
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,319
your problem you take it to other people

1624
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,799
measure the electrical magnetic nuclear

1625
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:27,119
thermal properties of this stuff

1626
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,720
and the guy comes back says i don't know

1627
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,640
where you got this this is a guy who's

1628
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,240
got a high level security clearance

1629
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:35,119
working at a classified installation

1630
01:02:39,030 --> 01:02:37,280
i don't know where you got this stuff

1631
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,040
but i measured the highest magnetic

1632
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:41,200
moment of any material i've ever

1633
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:44,400
measured make a great permanent magnet

1634
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,640
well umpteen years later i'm doing a

1635
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:48,480
story i did a weekly science commentary

1636
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,200
for cbc radio here in fredericton

1637
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:53,440
on new and better permanent magnet

1638
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,280
materials

1639
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:58,000
a neodymium boron iron and i'm not

1640
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:59,920
making it up

1641
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:01,920
and at the end of the article it says

1642
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:04,880
the original work on samarium cobalt was

1643
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:08,559
done at right air development center

1644
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,119
and i'll bet i know what was responsible

1645
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,359
for that

1646
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:15,119
they didn't say that they just came from

1647
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:18,160
a flying saucer not at all

1648
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,680
but when i found out that the original

1649
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,359
work was coming right here development

1650
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,400
center then i'd say oh it makes sense

1651
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,480
that's where the wreckage went

1652
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:29,119
somebody did some i visited there many

1653
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:30,880
times and suddenly had

1654
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:33,920
a contract with the air force

1655
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:36,960
to analysis and evaluation of fast and

1656
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:39,280
intermediate reactors for space vehicle

1657
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,799
applications

1658
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:43,200
one word left out soviet

1659
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,440
let's not leave out any more words but

1660
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,440
let's do our break with stanton t

1661
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,920
friedman with gene steinberg and with

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01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:52,079
chris o'brien who is not right now the

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[Music]

1756
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:11,510
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1757
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:15,200
standard of paranormal radio

1758
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:16,400
and now

1759
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:25,110
you see chris is going to get more and

1760
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:31,669
well here's here's a follow-up question

1761
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:33,759
from and i love this name greer's

1762
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:36,239
meeting planner okay

1763
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:40,400
we have some creative uh listeners yeah

1764
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:41,440
and

1765
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,080
he's wondering about the explanation of

1766
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:46,319
radar bringing the craft down

1767
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:47,520
and he's wondering what the source of

1768
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:49,839
this explanation is and

1769
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,239
how could we determine this as as reason

1770
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:54,400
after the fact i i know the answer to

1771
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,080
this but uh why don't you uh tell us

1772
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,839
about the uh the radar units that were

1773
01:09:01,669 --> 01:09:00,080
just going operational in uh new mexico

1774
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,679
at the time well

1775
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:04,000
they were there to track rockets because

1776
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:05,759
white sands missile range is where we're

1777
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,480
firing all kinds of captured german v1s

1778
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:10,799
and v2s and so forth

1779
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:12,880
and what i have suggested

1780
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,560
is that there are very few places in the

1781
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:16,960
world that a piloted vehicle would

1782
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:19,920
encounter a powerful radar beam remember

1783
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:22,239
this is 1947

1784
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:25,120
and what i've suggested is i

1785
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,880
wish to point out

1786
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:29,120
that all the radars at that time

1787
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,960
tracking radars

1788
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:32,640
and so forth

1789
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:35,040
used vacuum tube equipment

1790
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:37,120
and you don't turn it on at the last

1791
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:39,679
minute you keep it warmed up

1792
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:41,839
that's the way you did things no solid

1793
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:44,560
state stuff at that time equipment to do

1794
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:46,319
any of that with

1795
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:49,040
so if you suddenly

1796
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:52,000
pilot a wingman they encounter

1797
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:53,279
one of these radar beams it's just

1798
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,880
sitting there aiming it's not circling

1799
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:56,719
around it's not like an airport radar

1800
01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:59,199
going round and round

1801
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,760
your craft goes through the beam what

1802
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,440
the heck was that

1803
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:05,280
and it discombobulates either the

1804
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,560
guidance

1805
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,239
or the propulsion system just a

1806
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:09,840
momentary

1807
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,600
glitch if you will

1808
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,960
and i would suggest it could have

1809
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:14,800
resulted in a

1810
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:16,960
mid-air collision

1811
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,360
with one going one way and i talked to

1812
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:21,120
an air force general if you have a

1813
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,960
mid-air collision

1814
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:24,400
are the results the same for both

1815
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,760
vehicles usually no he told me

1816
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:29,600
he was a pilot during world war ii flew

1817
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:32,239
a lot of hours went on the command

1818
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:34,000
general exxon went on to command

1819
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:35,679
wright-patterson air force base matter

1820
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:36,880
of fact

1821
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:40,480
and usually one makes it and one doesn't

1822
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,840
and so

1823
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:43,199
one of the interesting things in my

1824
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,640
first conversation with jesse marcel

1825
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:48,239
was that he felt there had to have been

1826
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:51,679
a meteor explosion and why was that

1827
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,440
he said because of the huge amount of

1828
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:55,440
land covered by the wreckage i mean it

1829
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,159
was

1830
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,400
spread out all over the place

1831
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:01,440
the end because there was no crater

1832
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,800
he'd seen planes go down in world war ii

1833
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:06,560
in the pacific

1834
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:09,120
i said saw i didn't talk about him

1835
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,800
following in with a machine gun or

1836
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:12,719
anything like that

1837
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:15,040
and if a plane goes in and it's got fuel

1838
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:16,320
on board it can make a big hole in the

1839
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,920
ground and there weren't it wasn't any

1840
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:19,920
crater at roswell

1841
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:21,120
and so

1842
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,360
it makes sense to me

1843
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,199
that the stuff was spread out over you

1844
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,360
know a quarter mile this way two thirds

1845
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:29,040
of a mile that way

1846
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:30,880
because there was a mid-air explosion

1847
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,600
that makes sense now what could cause it

1848
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,440
well you had a collision

1849
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,600
you try to keep it aloft and the pilot

1850
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,960
finally

1851
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,960
you know can't manage it

1852
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,880
and so one comes down that's the point

1853
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,640
of sign augustine

1854
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,960
one explodes in mid-air and spews the

1855
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,880
pieces and probably a crew compartment

1856
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:50,640
that's over there

1857
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,679
separated from the stuff that exploded

1858
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:55,760
i mentioned that only because we know

1859
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,440
that there was a launch of a rocket

1860
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:59,440
schedule that the radar would have been

1861
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:01,280
on

1862
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:02,640
uh

1863
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:05,920
you know not an unreasonable explanation

1864
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:07,920
so can i prove it happen no of course

1865
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,440
not

1866
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:11,760
i want to go back to what i asked you

1867
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,760
earlier and we kind of got carried away

1868
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:16,080
with a lot of the intimate details of

1869
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:17,199
roswell

1870
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:20,719
are there things about the case at all

1871
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:23,280
that you've come to disbelieve over the

1872
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:24,480
years

1873
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:26,239
i certainly don't believe everything

1874
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:29,600
everybody has said about roswell

1875
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:32,400
uh there's a lot of bologna put out

1876
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:34,719
all over the place

1877
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,080
or you know people who claim to have i

1878
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,640
have trouble with um

1879
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:43,040
oh what the heck was her name

1880
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:44,080
the woman

1881
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,199
uh who was playing with pieces

1882
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,520
in the military of record she was given

1883
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:51,840
it to play with which i find

1884
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:54,480
you know her father was a fireman

1885
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,760
i have trouble with her story

1886
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,520
i can't imagine the state highway

1887
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:01,360
patrolman

1888
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:03,520
i mean behind patrolmen in new mexico

1889
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,719
were well aware there was a lot of

1890
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:06,880
government-sponsored classified activity

1891
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,480
around there

1892
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,400
you know that's not an

1893
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:11,920
unreasonable

1894
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:12,960
comment

1895
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,280
when you've got two nuclear weapons labs

1896
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:16,960
you've got all kinds of rockets being

1897
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,120
fired and all the rest of it

1898
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,440
and when you have the group the 509

1899
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:23,920
sitting there in roswell

1900
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,719
so i have trouble with uh her story

1901
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:28,640
about giving stuff to play with and a

1902
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:31,679
guy comes out and threatens everybody to

1903
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:33,199
picking you out of the desert and all

1904
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,640
this kind of stuff

1905
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:36,320
i had a real problem with that story and

1906
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,760
still do

1907
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,600
how about glenn dennis and the uh the

1908
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:41,600
mystery nurse

1909
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:42,640
well

1910
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:46,159
i tried to find the mystery nurse

1911
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,870
and i don't know what to say about that

1912
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,120
again absence of evidence i tried a lot

1913
01:14:01,590 --> 01:13:59,360
of catholic schools in the midwest where

1914
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,600
she was supposedly from

1915
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,880
uh

1916
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:04,239
i was one of the first people that glenn

1917
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,110
and so

1918
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:13,030
i'll put a

1919
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,920
question mark on some of that testimony

1920
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,280
okay

1921
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,960
well that's that's pretty important

1922
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:21,600
information in terms of determining

1923
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,199
that there were occupants because of

1924
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,520
course uh for some of the new listeners

1925
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:27,840
to the show glenn dennis was the

1926
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,480
mortician i think uh in the area and was

1927
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:32,000
asked to supply

1928
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:33,360
uh small

1929
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,199
child-sized coffins

1930
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:37,199
well he was asked about the availability

1931
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,960
of them

1932
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:41,120
and he told them he knew where he could

1933
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,560
get it and

1934
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,400
could get some there was a company i

1935
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,159
think it was in amarillo

1936
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,199
where they got their child-sized

1937
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:51,120
coffins from

1938
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:53,199
but

1939
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,199
i was the first to hear his story and

1940
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,760
i i was favorably impressed because i

1941
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,360
talked to other people in town what they

1942
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,280
thought about glenn

1943
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:05,920
i talked to walter out

1944
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:08,840
with whom i had a great deal of faith

1945
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,239
i and so well you know there's a good

1946
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:13,760
example

1947
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:16,000
uh walter hound

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uh he was the public information officer

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and

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when joe nickel

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dr joe nickel three degrees in english

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but the scientific consultant to the

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committee for the scientific

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investigation of claims of the

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paranormal

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01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,679
he tried to say that

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01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:37,520
an unknown

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pr guy put out an unauthorized press

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01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:42,480
release

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and

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01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,760
i said you don't even know his name

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01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:48,000
well no of course it was in all of

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the books that had been written prior to

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that

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and you know

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but also

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uh that that underplays

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01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,199
walter's role

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01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:02,159
in the sense that he was a world war ii

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01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,000
bombardier

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flew more than 20 missions

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over tokyo or japan i shouldn't say over

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tokyo over japan

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furthermore

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uh walter

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was such a good bombardier

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that he was selected to drop the

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instrument package over one of the two

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bombs tested at operation crossroads in

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the pacific in 1946.

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you pick your best guy because if you

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don't get any data

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the instrument package what's the point

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in doing the test there is a point in

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having these announcements

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and then we'll be back with stanton

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friedman who will continue his response

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you're listening to the paracast the

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we have stanton friedman

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joining gene and chris in the power cast

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this week and we started in

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on roswell kind two of giving an update

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from stan because

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of their skeptical comments that we

2100
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:34,239
heard from kevin randle last week stan

2101
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,000
you want to continue your response from

2102
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,400
the last segment or should we move on

2103
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:40,560
well let me just just comment that

2104
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:42,800
anybody who's going to talk about what

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01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:45,199
happened in roswell in terms of recovery

2106
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,560
and so forth

2107
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and doesn't mention

2108
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,920
that it was the most elite military

2109
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:51,679
group in the world

2110
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,159
and i've had people say oh colonel

2111
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:56,400
blanchard was a loose cannon

2112
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sure he got

2113
01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:00,000
promoted to four star generals several

2114
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,719
steps along the way and was vice chief

2115
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:04,560
of staff of the air force when he died

2116
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,480
of a massive heart attack

2117
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:08,880
now you don't get those promotions and

2118
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,960
that job and at one time head of

2119
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,719
operations for a strategic air command

2120
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:14,159
where he had thousands of nuclear

2121
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:16,239
warheads under his command

2122
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:18,080
this is years later now

2123
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:19,600
we didn't have thousands of their

2124
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:21,840
warheads at the time of roswell we had a

2125
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,040
few

2126
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,199
but if you don't

2127
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:27,600
mention the relevant information

2128
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,040
blanchard

2129
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:31,360
was not only a west pointer

2130
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,159
but

2131
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:34,000
with that kind of background his new

2132
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:37,280
york times carried his obituary

2133
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:38,960
which doesn't happen for every general

2134
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,520
it goes along with a big one too

2135
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:44,000
so when you try to minimize the good

2136
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,159
side of the story were these people

2137
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:48,960
competent you darn right they were

2138
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:50,719
and you don't get four more promotions

2139
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,719
from colonel

2140
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,719
to four-star general

2141
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,560
without approval from congress on each

2142
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:58,960
one of them incidentally

2143
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,679
long and short of it is after all these

2144
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:03,840
years is there any hope

2145
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:05,840
absent some kind of disclosure from the

2146
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:07,920
government of learning much more about

2147
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:09,040
roswell

2148
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:11,360
unless somebody turns up

2149
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,280
and you said absent disclosure well

2150
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,679
maybe somebody kept a

2151
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,920
report a document

2152
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,159
that's sitting in somebody's drawers

2153
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:22,400
some of the metal might be nice

2154
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,600
well i was going to say i'd also like to

2155
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:27,360
to see a piece of metal that i could

2156
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:29,920
have analyzed and stuff like that

2157
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:32,480
but i don't expect that to happen really

2158
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,280
and

2159
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:36,000
there's something else going on here too

2160
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:38,159
the guys involved were world war ii

2161
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:39,520
veterans

2162
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,520
security was taken very seriously

2163
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:43,520
loyalty patriotism all these things were

2164
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:45,920
not dirty words this was not the vietnam

2165
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:47,840
war that they were in it was world war

2166
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,639
ii

2167
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,719
i i often point out that from an alien

2168
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viewpoint where a primitive society

2169
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,560
whose major activity is tribal warfare

2170
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,639
that in world war ii

2171
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:59,280
we nice guys manage to kill there's a

2172
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:01,199
dispute some people say 50 million of

2173
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:03,280
our own kind others have said 60 million

2174
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:06,080
but i'll be conservative me

2175
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:07,040
yes

2176
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:10,480
only 50 million people we destroyed 1700

2177
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:11,760
cities

2178
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:14,239
there were bombing raids with 500

2179
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:16,880
airplanes dropping bombs over places in

2180
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:19,679
europe and then after the war

2181
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:22,639
this shocked some people we exploded 2

2182
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,320
000 nuclear warheads 2000 plus a few

2183
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:27,920
and people look at me what do you mean

2184
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,560
we didn't explode yes we did

2185
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,880
only two were on people hiroshima and

2186
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:34,320
nagasaki

2187
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:36,080
but there were a lot of other atom bombs

2188
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:38,080
exploded so anybody coming here would

2189
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:40,000
say holy cow

2190
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:41,760
let's make sure these people don't take

2191
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:44,320
their brand of friendship out our way

2192
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,920
well either that or they were already

2193
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:47,520
here and we were putting them in harm's

2194
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:49,440
way because we were popping off

2195
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,440
uh atomic weapons

2196
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:53,760
well i think it would have been the job

2197
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:55,920
of the galactic federation

2198
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:58,000
security command how's that for a nice

2199
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:59,199
title

2200
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:01,360
it sounds like science fiction

2201
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,840
certainly they would be wary of any

2202
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:05,520
place where there were nuclear weapons

2203
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:08,159
and one of the things that's changed

2204
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:11,600
since i started the noise about roswell

2205
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:14,960
back in 78 which seems forever ago

2206
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:21,590
one of the things that's changed

2207
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:23,120
drastically

2208
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,320
is our concept of how many solar systems

2209
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:28,000
there are how many planets there are

2210
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:29,600
what's the chance of there being anybody

2211
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,960
else out there

2212
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,560
frank drake

2213
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,239
the city guy

2214
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:36,719
radio telescopes etc

2215
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:39,199
uh at one point said there might be as

2216
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,760
many as 8 000 planets that could be in

2217
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:44,080
our galaxy that could be sending signals

2218
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:45,520
to us

2219
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,040
wow

2220
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,520
well now thanks to kepler

2221
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,600
the general consensus and i checked with

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01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:54,239
a couple of astronomers something on the

2223
01:26:03,030 --> 01:25:59,360
average of 1 to 1.6 planets per star

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01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,040
planets per star holy cow the galaxy has

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01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:05,040
a couple hundred billion

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01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:06,560
stars

2227
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:09,520
but even look at our local neighborhood

2228
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:12,560
within a hundred light years of here

2229
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:15,120
there are approximately

2230
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:17,840
10 000 stars

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01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:21,520
that means 10 000 planets within a

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01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:24,159
measly hundred years

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01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:25,760
and you get all kinds of people saying

2234
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:27,520
well the nearest civilization would have

2235
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:30,480
to be a thousand light years away or 800

2236
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:33,040
light years away or 2 000 light years

2237
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:34,320
away

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01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:37,280
my goodness look at the star map we're

2239
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:38,719
having to do with liberty and barney

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01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:40,000
hill case

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01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,840
they've got two stars they're an eighth

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01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,760
of a light year apart

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01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:46,080
35 times closer than the sun is to the

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01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,080
next star over

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01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:50,639
so our notion of how many

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01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:53,600
beings civilizations bases call them

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01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:55,360
what you want

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01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:56,400
there are

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01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:58,080
in the neighborhood

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01:27:01,350 --> 01:27:00,000
any defined neighborhood on these kinds

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01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,360
of things

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01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:03,840
has changed drastically

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01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:06,719
thanks to the kepler satellite

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01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,239
nobody expected that they were gonna

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01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:10,239
find that many planets

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01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,920
and nobody's saying they all have life

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01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:13,199
on them

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01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,159
you know

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01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,800
one out of ten one out of twenty

2260
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,480
one out of 50.

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01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:20,800
but let's allow for colonization and

2262
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:22,560
migration

2263
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:25,679
i've asked audiences kind of fun

2264
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:27,360
at the end of my lecture how many people

2265
01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:30,000
had your ancestors back four generations

2266
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:32,159
living here whatever town i happen to be

2267
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,360
in and usually it's a very small number

2268
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:38,000
colonization migration

2269
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:39,679
you can't say what the future is by

2270
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,639
looking just at the past

2271
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:44,400
how many people lived in las vegas a

2272
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:49,360
hundred years ago 120 years ago not many

2273
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,159
so

2274
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,400
things have changed our concept of how

2275
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:54,000
important we are

2276
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:55,520
that's one of the biggest things that's

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01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,560
changed

2278
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,120
there's plant robertson saying

2279
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:01,600
that all the intelligent life in the

2280
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,239
galaxy is on planet earth

2281
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:06,159
and all this ufo stuff is the work of

2282
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:07,840
the devil and the world was created in

2283
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:13,430
and i wouldn't even say pat's entitled

2284
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,960
to his opinion

2285
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:16,960
i don't think yeah if he doesn't know

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01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:19,120
what he's talking about yeah

2287
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:20,880
there's tour operators that go up to

2288
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,679
grand canyon that are creationists and i

2289
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:25,120
love to sit there and listen to them

2290
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:26,880
explain how the canyon was formed in

2291
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:28,960
just a couple of days and it only

2292
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:30,639
happened uh you know a few thousand

2293
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:32,880
years ago i i just

2294
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:34,400
it's very difficult for me to keep my

2295
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:36,800
mouth shut but you did bring up the

2296
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:38,320
betty and barney hill case and of course

2297
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,040
that's where we have our first real

2298
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:43,440
mention of zeta reticuli as being a

2299
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:45,120
possible uh

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01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,320
player in um in this whole ufo scenario

2301
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:50,400
with well it was marjorie fish's work

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01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:51,840
years i mean the event took place in

2303
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:54,719
1961 right right and she looked at the

2304
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:57,199
star map well sandinista who's one of

2305
01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:58,960
our posters who comes up with great

2306
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:00,880
questions for our guests where

2307
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:03,360
he posts at the uh the question bank at

2308
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,600
forum.paracast.com

2309
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:07,440
and he says that recent investigations

2310
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:09,679
of zeta reticuli indicate that the star

2311
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:11,679
is likely to be surrounded by a debris

2312
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,960
disk rather than a planetary system

2313
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:16,320
he's warning if you still believe that

2314
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:18,560
this is a prime candidate or prime

2315
01:29:22,870 --> 01:29:20,719
location for a possible nearby

2316
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:22,880
extraterrestrial civilization

2317
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,320
well it's 39 light years away so that's

2318
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,080
you know that that's not the nearest

2319
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:30,320
possible one at all nobody's saying it

2320
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:31,360
is

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01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:32,239
uh

2322
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:34,239
i still have

2323
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,920
how shall i put this

2324
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:38,159
i would put it on my list of probable

2325
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,639
places and i know i knew i was the first

2326
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,800
to publish about marjorie fisher's work

2327
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:44,400
about starmap

2328
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:46,960
and i was very impressed by the care

2329
01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:48,480
with which he did her work her

2330
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:50,000
objectivity

2331
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:51,600
as a matter of fact uh you know she'd

2332
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,440
been a school teacher

2333
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,440
and through somebody i knew who knew

2334
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:57,360
somebody else she wound up being a

2335
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:58,880
technician at oak ridge national

2336
01:30:02,390 --> 01:30:00,320
laboratory

2337
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,400
and worked there for many years

2338
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:04,560
it's a very bright lady and not just

2339
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:07,040
because she was a member of mensah

2340
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:10,960
but objective careful wow i was very

2341
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:12,239
impressed

2342
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:13,280
so

2343
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:15,360
uh

2344
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:17,520
interesting exciting useful and

2345
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:19,120
indicative of

2346
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:22,560
just look at the difference two stars

2347
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:24,159
uh

2348
01:30:29,270 --> 01:30:26,320
35 times closer to each other than the

2349
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:29,280
sun is to the next star over wow

2350
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:32,239
and the other star is visible all day

2351
01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:34,639
from a planet around the other star

2352
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:36,639
let's get into more about

2353
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:39,120
that binary star system

2354
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:41,040
in our next segment with stanton t

2355
01:30:48,290 --> 01:30:43,760
friedman and gene and chris you're in

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[Music]

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is stanton friedman stan you had any

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further response to that question before

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01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:58,880
we go on

2480
01:36:02,470 --> 01:36:00,639
oh about the uh

2481
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:02,480
the qualities of those

2482
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:04,560
zeta one and zeta two whether there's a

2483
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:05,360
uh

2484
01:36:10,149 --> 01:36:08,239
what did you call it a debris

2485
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:10,159
disc uh you you called it it was

2486
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surrounded by debris i guess

2487
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yeah and i

2488
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no i don't have any further comment and

2489
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:18,639
you know we we tend to forget how much

2490
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we have learned

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for example one of marjorie's most

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01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:23,760
difficult problems

2493
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:26,080
was getting accurate distance data on

2494
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:27,600
the stars because the astronomers don't

2495
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:28,719
care

2496
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:31,199
you need two angles to aim a telescope

2497
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:32,320
and whether it's

2498
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:34,159
20 light years away or 30 light years

2499
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:35,440
away doesn't matter you're not going

2500
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:37,840
anywhere that's the astronomers

2501
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:38,880
approach

2502
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:42,239
then the hipparco satellite was launched

2503
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,480
by the european space agency

2504
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:46,159
and they made i don't know i've heard

2505
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:48,000
numbers like a million measurements of

2506
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:49,679
stellar distances

2507
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:52,000
and so finally we've got accurate data

2508
01:36:57,430 --> 01:36:55,840
on where the stars how far the stars are

2509
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:57,440
which in the early days you could pick

2510
01:37:01,750 --> 01:36:59,119
up three different star catalogs and get

2511
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:01,760
three different distances

2512
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,560
you know so it was awkward

2513
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:06,719
and we've got more to learn and i don't

2514
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:08,560
think there's many people studying it to

2515
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:10,159
tell you the truth

2516
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:11,840
i wish there were because i i've heard

2517
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:14,480
contradictory stories about

2518
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:17,520
zeta reticuli for that matter

2519
01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:19,360
and you know what's truth and what's

2520
01:37:22,709 --> 01:37:21,040
friction i don't know

2521
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:22,719
happy to admit that

2522
01:37:26,149 --> 01:37:24,480
are you uh familiar with the

2523
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:26,159
breakthrough star shot

2524
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:28,480
spectre73 one of our listeners uh is

2525
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:30,560
wondering what you make of the

2526
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:33,600
recent announcement from stephen hawking

2527
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:35,199
regarding breakthrough star shot for

2528
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:36,639
many years we've been informed that

2529
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:38,000
travel to the nearest stars will be

2530
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:39,520
almost impossible

2531
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:41,440
and uh he's wondering if you think that

2532
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:43,280
this could be the beginning of a change

2533
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:45,760
in attitude well i think there is a

2534
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,440
beginning of a change but one of the

2535
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:49,600
problems is that the astronomers seem to

2536
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:51,199
know nothing about

2537
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:53,520
two three areas of importance in this

2538
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:54,560
discussion

2539
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:56,560
one is data about ufos look for the

2540
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:58,080
references in their books and there's

2541
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:00,239
darn few the second is about

2542
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:02,719
interstellar travel and these guys seem

2543
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:05,440
to think that all research gets done

2544
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:07,520
in academic surroundings and gets

2545
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:09,119
published in

2546
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:11,760
refereed scientific journals and that's

2547
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:13,920
that's nonsense well let me give an

2548
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:17,440
example a guy made a calculation 1941 i

2549
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:19,520
think it was dr campbell an astronomer

2550
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:21,119
who calculated the required initial

2551
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:22,719
launch weight of a rocket able to get a

2552
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:23,840
man

2553
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:25,199
to the moon

2554
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:26,400
and back

2555
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:29,679
a million million tons he said

2556
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:32,080
and it turns out the apollo you know the

2557
01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:33,760
saturn vehicle

2558
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:36,400
weighed uh three thousand tons made

2559
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:39,360
every possible stupid assumption

2560
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:41,440
you know single stage rocket limited

2561
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:43,840
acceleration

2562
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:46,159
possibly wrong

2563
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,080
so i worked on

2564
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:50,400
efficient propulsion systems

2565
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:53,199
and we tested one very successfully

2566
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:55,840
operated at a power level of

2567
01:39:02,390 --> 01:38:58,719
1100 megawatts

2568
01:39:04,629 --> 01:39:02,400
now hoover dam produces 2 000 megawatts

2569
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:04,639
and is a huge monster if you've been out

2570
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:06,000
there

2571
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:06,880
the

2572
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:09,360
nrx a6

2573
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:11,920
is less than seven feet in diameter

2574
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,920
produced eleven hundred megawatts but

2575
01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:15,760
los alamos

2576
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:18,800
operated the phoebus 2b nuclear rocket

2577
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:20,719
reactor propulsion system

2578
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:23,199
at the nuclear test site outside las

2579
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:24,320
vegas

2580
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:25,679
power level

2581
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:29,040
4 400 megawatts

2582
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,719
exhaust temperature of the liquid

2583
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:32,880
hydrogen that went in very cold came out

2584
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:34,000
very hot

2585
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:37,679
over 4 000 degrees now universities

2586
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:40,560
involved in this no of course so

2587
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:42,719
astronomers have made all kinds of silly

2588
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:44,080
statements about

2589
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:47,520
feasibility about interstellar travel

2590
01:39:52,070 --> 01:39:49,679
one of the problems is

2591
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:52,080
people want half an einstein

2592
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:55,440
i have tried this sneaky again but

2593
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:57,360
uh sometimes i get out of campus and i'm

2594
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,480
going to do a

2595
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,400
colloquium in the afternoon of physics

2596
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:02,000
colloquium when i get worn by one of the

2597
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:03,840
students dr jones thinks you're full of

2598
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,040
belonging

2599
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:07,600
so i make sure i talk about things

2600
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:08,960
that i know they don't know anything

2601
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:11,040
about the electromagnetic submarine the

2602
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:12,560
fission rockets

2603
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,040
uh stuff like that and then i ask some

2604
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:17,040
straightforward questions what's the

2605
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:19,600
numerical equivalent of one g

2606
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:21,440
for acceleration

2607
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:24,239
9.8 meters per second squared

2608
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:26,000
they all know that except it doesn't

2609
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:27,920
mean anything to anybody

2610
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:30,800
now in more useful terms it's 21 miles

2611
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:33,280
per hour per second so if you've got a

2612
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,360
car accelerating at one g at the end of

2613
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:37,360
three seconds it's going 63 miles an

2614
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:39,440
hour that's a pretty hot car most cars

2615
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:42,000
take five six seven seconds to get then

2616
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:43,119
i ask

2617
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:45,360
all casual what's the speed of light

2618
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:47,600
between a thousand kilometers per second

2619
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:50,960
okay now the question is do you have a

2620
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:53,600
better unit than that sure 670 million

2621
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,520
miles an hour

2622
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:57,440
but the real question is how long does

2623
01:41:01,910 --> 01:40:59,440
it take at 1g to get close to the speed

2624
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:01,920
of line multiple choice gentlemen

2625
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:05,360
1000 years 100 years ten years one year

2626
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:07,600
you'd be surprised how many professors

2627
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:09,040
and students

2628
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:11,679
pick a thousand years or a hundred years

2629
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:13,760
or ten a few get the right answer which

2630
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:16,239
is just one year

2631
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:18,639
and so they're understanding

2632
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:21,199
fusion propulsion now every astronomer

2633
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:22,320
knows

2634
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:24,719
that all the stars produce their energy

2635
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:27,280
by nuclear fusion

2636
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,480
there are many different fusion

2637
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:30,320
reactions but involving hydrogen and

2638
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,520
helium

2639
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:33,520
two most lightest and most abundant

2640
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:35,199
substances in the universe which is very

2641
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:36,880
convenient frankly

2642
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,719
uh you're not gonna find much uranium

2643
01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:40,560
out there but plenty of hydrogen and

2644
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:41,600
helium

2645
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:43,280
and so

2646
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:44,480
the

2647
01:41:50,189 --> 01:41:47,360
kicker is it takes less than a year at

2648
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:50,199
1g to get close to the speed of light at

2649
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:53,520
99.99 percent of the speed of light

2650
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,320
time slows that's the other half of the

2651
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:58,719
conundrum time slows down for things

2652
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:00,960
moving that fast and how much it slows

2653
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,280
down is dependent on how how close to

2654
01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:05,040
the speed of light you're moving

2655
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:06,639
and incidentally the particles of the

2656
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:09,280
large hadron collider

2657
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:15,470
nine 99.9999 speed of light but at just

2658
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:17,760
99.99 percent of the speed of light you

2659
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:19,760
can go 37 light years in six months

2660
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:23,040
pilot time pilot time you go out go back

2661
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:25,520
marry your granddaughter's best friend

2662
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:27,440
time slows down for things moving fast

2663
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:29,600
and don't ask me why that's the way god

2664
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:32,000
created the universe

2665
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:33,440
pat robertson would like that answer

2666
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:35,840
wouldn't he

2667
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:38,880
oh oh no hey ufos believers should be

2668
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:41,679
stoned uh the firmament is for man the

2669
01:42:46,470 --> 01:42:44,080
heavens for good are for or for the

2670
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:46,480
creator a god of course he failed to

2671
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:49,040
mention that we uh he bounces all his

2672
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,400
700 club signals off satellites

2673
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:54,239
oh you're kidding they don't do that

2674
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:56,000
they wouldn't use such ungodly

2675
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:01,189
yeah as a matter of fact they would no

2676
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,840
what i have found over the years is that

2677
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:05,920
astronomers really don't know anything

2678
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:08,159
about advanced propulsion look i worked

2679
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:10,560
on a study of fusion propulsion

2680
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:12,560
when i was at euro general nucleonics

2681
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:15,440
under john lewis an outstanding expert

2682
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:16,639
on fusion

2683
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:19,840
back in 1962

2684
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:21,119
it looked like

2685
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:23,520
if you wanted to spend the dough you

2686
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:24,400
could go

2687
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:27,679
how's that for a model for a program

2688
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:30,639
uh you could go to the stars

2689
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,520
is it easy no but you know

2690
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:34,880
progress comes from doing things

2691
01:43:40,709 --> 01:43:38,320
differently it took magellan his ship

2692
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:40,719
three years to go around the planet

2693
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:42,639
it takes the space station

2694
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:45,520
95 minutes

2695
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,560
but it is not a big sailboat

2696
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:50,560
progress comes from doing things

2697
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:52,480
differently

2698
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:55,119
and most of that work gets done outside

2699
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:56,960
of

2700
01:44:01,669 --> 01:43:59,440
academia

2701
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:01,679
uh you know i'm not knocking all

2702
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:03,679
academics i've got a couple degrees

2703
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:05,840
myself from the university of chicago

2704
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:07,280
which i'm

2705
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:09,679
proud of i guess

2706
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:10,800
but

2707
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:11,920
if you're going to talk about

2708
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,440
interstellar travel let's do some

2709
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:15,600
homework

2710
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,560
uh

2711
01:44:22,229 --> 01:44:18,239
you know let's not assume you're stuck

2712
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:22,239
with a 50 year old technology

2713
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:24,159
well i don't use the slide rule anymore

2714
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:26,320
as an example of that

2715
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:28,480
exactly what is is breakthrough star

2716
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:30,400
shot this was a term that

2717
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:33,440
that spectre 73 mentioned uh and it had

2718
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:35,760
stephen hawking uh attached to it what

2719
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,480
is breakthrough star shot do you know

2720
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,560
no although i've i've read some of uh

2721
01:44:45,990 --> 01:44:42,719
hawking's stuff and also what's his name

2722
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:46,000
milner the soviet billionaire

2723
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:48,000
and they're talking about putting a

2724
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:48,960
small

2725
01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:51,280
device up to a star

2726
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:53,440
sending it to a star i want to build a

2727
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:56,239
big one and go a lot faster

2728
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:57,040
and

2729
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:00,480
there have been published studies

2730
01:45:04,149 --> 01:45:02,719
by people working in the area engineers

2731
01:45:06,550 --> 01:45:04,159
and scientists

2732
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:06,560
showing that interstellar travel is

2733
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,440
feasible it's not cheap

2734
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:11,520
and i'm not saying we should do it god

2735
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:14,080
forbid no

2736
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:16,560
and anything that goes from our planet

2737
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:18,560
should represent the all the countries

2738
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:20,239
on the planet

2739
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:21,920
and the chance of that on a planet

2740
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:23,440
that's spending a trillion dollars this

2741
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:25,840
year on things military

2742
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:28,960
not very likely hey we gotta do our

2743
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:31,600
break now folks we've got gene and chris

2744
01:45:38,410 --> 01:45:34,080
with stanton friedman you're in the

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[Music]

2802
01:48:02,830 --> 01:48:00,310
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2803
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:02,840
standard of paranormal

2804
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:05,199
radio and now

2805
01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:14,310
on the power cast with gene and chris

2806
01:48:18,149 --> 01:48:16,480
we have stanton friedman chris we got

2807
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:18,159
more questions from listeners on

2808
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:21,040
subjects other than roswell can you pose

2809
01:48:25,270 --> 01:48:22,960
a couple of questions sure here's

2810
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:25,280
another one from spectre73

2811
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:27,360
and he wonders how we can explain the

2812
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:30,000
lack of modern close encounters with

2813
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:32,639
ufos and their occupants it does seem

2814
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:34,480
that over the last couple decades we've

2815
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:38,080
seen a dramatic decrease in reports

2816
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:40,560
of landing craft and occupants

2817
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:43,280
well i'd ask ted phillips plenty of such

2818
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,239
cases

2819
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:46,560
the problem has always been people

2820
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,719
involved i want to talk about it the

2821
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:51,119
fear of ridicule because most people

2822
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,719
have the mistaken impression that most

2823
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:54,719
people don't believe in flying saucers

2824
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:56,080
if they say they do they're going to get

2825
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:57,520
left out of town

2826
01:49:01,990 --> 01:48:59,520
that's if you just see one if you see

2827
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,000
critters wow

2828
01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:04,560
you're certainly going to get laughed at

2829
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:05,440
so

2830
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:07,360
the problem is how hard are people

2831
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:09,679
looking for that data you know i shocked

2832
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:10,880
somebody the other day and i said well

2833
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:13,440
you know mufon gets between 600 and a

2834
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:16,880
thousand reports a month a month

2835
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:18,960
yeah a month

2836
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,639
but who hears about it you see it on the

2837
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:22,320
front page of the new york times not

2838
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:24,000
often

2839
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:26,800
uh i can't remember when last one

2840
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:28,480
time somebody published a clip from the

2841
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,000
front page

2842
01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:32,400
right but the interview with hillary

2843
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:33,600
clinton

2844
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:35,119
well okay that didn't appear all the

2845
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:36,320
time

2846
01:49:39,590 --> 01:49:38,159
yeah yeah

2847
01:49:41,590 --> 01:49:39,600
we seem to be getting a bit more

2848
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:41,600
respectable and i give some of the

2849
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,960
credit to

2850
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,639
the kepler but

2851
01:49:47,669 --> 01:49:46,400
you know a hundred years ago there were

2852
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:47,679
plenty of people saying if there were

2853
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:49,280
any other planets out there we would

2854
01:49:53,590 --> 01:49:51,760
know about them no other solar systems

2855
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:53,600
were it man

2856
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:55,440
well nobody's saying that anymore

2857
01:49:59,430 --> 01:49:57,119
fermi's paradox

2858
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:59,440
well yeah i i

2859
01:50:01,990 --> 01:50:00,719
the one of the reasons i went to the

2860
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:02,000
university of chicago was because

2861
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:04,080
enrique fermi was there

2862
01:50:08,950 --> 01:50:05,679
and i think people have grossly

2863
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:08,960
misrepresented he was famous at chicago

2864
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:11,040
for asking questions

2865
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:13,840
basically forcing his students to think

2866
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,159
you know the sky is blue and what does

2867
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:18,719
that mean kind of thing what does that

2868
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:19,920
tell us and there are all kinds of

2869
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:21,920
answers to that question

2870
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,960
but

2871
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:24,480
he never said

2872
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:26,639
ain't nobody coming here

2873
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:28,639
he said where is everybody they had been

2874
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:31,760
discussing at lunch in los alamos some

2875
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:33,280
great scientists

2876
01:50:37,590 --> 01:50:34,800
about it shouldn't take more than 10

2877
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:37,600
million years to colonize the entire

2878
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,639
galaxy

2879
01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:40,560
without any concepts of how many places

2880
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:41,840
aren't there that you have to do that

2881
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:43,199
with but

2882
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:45,040
so as they were leaving

2883
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,400
fermi said so where is everybody

2884
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:50,800
he didn't say there wasn't anybody

2885
01:50:55,590 --> 01:50:53,440
and people have misrepresented land as

2886
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:55,600
what he supposedly said

2887
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:58,480
it is a paradox if there are many people

2888
01:51:02,229 --> 01:51:00,320
traipsing or beings

2889
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:02,239
pardon me shouldn't have said people if

2890
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:03,840
there are many beings traipsing around

2891
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:06,080
out there so where are they well that

2892
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:08,639
presupposes there's nobody coming here

2893
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:09,440
but

2894
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:11,520
i'd say there's very good evidence well

2895
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:14,000
again look at ted phillips five thousand

2896
01:51:17,590 --> 01:51:16,000
physical trace cases one-sixth of those

2897
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,600
involve reports of beings associated

2898
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:19,440
with craft near the ground

2899
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:21,840
he's actually up near seven now

2900
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:24,000
is that i've been meaning to call to see

2901
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:26,239
what the latest number is but yeah it's

2902
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:27,840
up close

2903
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,639
one-sixth involved reports of beings or

2904
01:51:35,590 --> 01:51:33,280
i don't know what the latest number is

2905
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,600
but but that comes as a shock to people

2906
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:37,199
what do you mean

2907
01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:38,800
there are all these places from all over

2908
01:51:43,589 --> 01:51:40,880
the world where people see

2909
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:43,599
craft near the ground and at least then

2910
01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:45,840
a while back it was one sixth involved

2911
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:47,920
reports of beings associated with the

2912
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:49,360
craft

2913
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:51,360
we should get albert rosalie's back on

2914
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:54,000
the show and get an update on on

2915
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:55,840
occupant cases

2916
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:58,320
well yeah because they're important and

2917
01:52:01,830 --> 01:51:59,920
the question remember you got to ask the

2918
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:01,840
right question the question isn't are

2919
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:04,560
all ufos alien spacecraft the question

2920
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:06,000
is are any

2921
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:08,159
are there any abduction stories that are

2922
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:11,599
true yes are all abduction stories true

2923
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:14,080
probably not because we know people make

2924
01:52:17,189 --> 01:52:15,840
up stories about almost anything you can

2925
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,199
think of

2926
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:19,119
lying seems to be one of those

2927
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,719
activities it's really widely engaged

2928
01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:24,239
well there's a story here without

2929
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:26,159
mentioning that name

2930
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:28,880
that out of a 12 000 word speech

2931
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:31,840
a certain political figure lied

2932
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:39,189
that's great i wonder who that's

2933
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:41,679
actually pretty good that's a good ratio

2934
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:44,480
for most politicians i am not mentioning

2935
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:46,000
the politician

2936
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:48,159
or the fact that no i don't want to do

2937
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:50,480
that no good because i don't know who

2938
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:53,760
was either you know it was yes

2939
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:56,000
well i mean i would recognize the name

2940
01:53:01,990 --> 01:52:58,560
if you told me i don't mean that

2941
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:02,000
but and sometimes in the same sentence

2942
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:03,760
i'm not surprised

2943
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:05,599
well isn't that their job aren't they

2944
01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:09,280
supposed to entertain this advice

2945
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:10,960
you know what's your job well i'm

2946
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:13,040
supposed to make up stories that are to

2947
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:15,440
get people's interest and excitement

2948
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:17,199
yeah what do you mean make up well you

2949
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:18,480
don't think we're going to tell true

2950
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:23,510
well i hate to tell you but greer's

2951
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:25,440
meeting planner has another question for

2952
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:26,560
you

2953
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:29,360
that meeting planner must be pretty big

2954
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:31,040
well he's only uh

2955
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,679
asked six questions in uh almost a year

2956
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:35,280
of of being

2957
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:37,440
on the uh forums and so stanton you're

2958
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:41,280
uh you're getting the the bulk privilege

2959
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:43,199
you bring them out of the woodworks then

2960
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:44,639
what do you make of some of the major

2961
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:46,880
ufo waves that seem to be just a step

2962
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:48,880
ahead of the equivalent human technology

2963
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:51,119
at the time and he gives the examples of

2964
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:53,760
the airship's uh waves in in the late

2965
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:56,400
1800s that ghost rockets just after

2966
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:58,400
world war ii the flying

2967
01:54:02,229 --> 01:54:00,239
small triangles in the 80s and now we

2968
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:02,239
have giant flying triangles that seem to

2969
01:54:05,189 --> 01:54:03,679
be uh

2970
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:05,199
they're being reported i think with a

2971
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:07,119
little bit more frequency do you think

2972
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:09,199
that there's some sort of uh correlation

2973
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,239
between

2974
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:12,960
uh the appearance of the technology and

2975
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:14,719
the actual technology itself or do you

2976
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:17,199
think this is all coincidental uh where

2977
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:18,719
do you come down

2978
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:19,599
i'm

2979
01:54:23,350 --> 01:54:21,520
someplace in the middle there it's kind

2980
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,360
of like there's a picture of me in my

2981
01:54:29,910 --> 01:54:25,760
book flying saucers in science with my

2982
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:29,920
hand on the apollo 12 command module

2983
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:32,000
and it's there because i want to make

2984
01:54:35,910 --> 01:54:33,760
the point

2985
01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:35,920
that when i was growing up a high-speed

2986
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:38,080
craft in the atmosphere had to be pointy

2987
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:40,960
nose sharp wings highly streamlined and

2988
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:43,040
here we got this round blunt body it

2989
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,599
looks like a darn flying saucer

2990
01:54:49,990 --> 01:54:47,520
more than it does like a high-speed

2991
01:54:52,629 --> 01:54:50,000
craft and yet it comes into 25 000 miles

2992
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:52,639
an hour i found out incidentally that

2993
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,560
the right pat did some wind tunnel tests

2994
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:56,800
on round things back in the

2995
01:55:00,790 --> 01:54:59,840
late 40s would you believe

2996
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:00,800
so

2997
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,880
we don't know i think that there may be

2998
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:06,960
a correlation because people are

2999
01:55:11,350 --> 01:55:08,000
just like

3000
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:11,360
who is it uh davalis and icarus uh

3001
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:12,880
you know want to make something that

3002
01:55:16,390 --> 01:55:15,360
flies because birds fly

3003
01:55:18,709 --> 01:55:16,400
uh

3004
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:18,719
and flop the wings you know

3005
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:19,840
uh

3006
01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:21,360
i think

3007
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:23,199
there's a lot of truth that comes out of

3008
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:25,599
observing nature

3009
01:55:28,870 --> 01:55:26,880
uh

3010
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:28,880
not everything that you come up with and

3011
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,880
trying to explain it may be

3012
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:33,199
right probably not

3013
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:35,280
but you know i mentioned nuclear fusion

3014
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:37,199
well if i'd said that

3015
01:55:41,990 --> 01:55:40,000
back in the 30s he said what the hell

3016
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,000
are you talking about man

3017
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:44,239
that's that's nonsense the

3018
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:46,400
mass a star is a massive burning gas

3019
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:48,639
what else could it be

3020
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:50,880
you know my wife says that to me all the

3021
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:53,760
time what the hell are you talking about

3022
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:54,960
well

3023
01:55:59,910 --> 01:55:57,440
it's a natural reaction from people who

3024
01:56:02,629 --> 01:55:59,920
don't know what you are talking about

3025
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:02,639
and don't go enough to evaluate it

3026
01:56:05,589 --> 01:56:03,760
uh

3027
01:56:07,750 --> 01:56:05,599
and there are so many things that are

3028
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:07,760
quite remarkable

3029
01:56:12,629 --> 01:56:09,360
i mentioned i don't use a slide rule

3030
01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:12,639
anymore but a pocket calculator

3031
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:15,119
you know but under five dollars

3032
01:56:18,790 --> 01:56:17,440
what if you'd had one of those 50 years

3033
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:18,800
ago

3034
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:22,400
it would be remarkable impossible

3035
01:56:27,189 --> 01:56:25,599
you would have started texas instruments

3036
01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:27,199
yeah i guess so

3037
01:56:30,070 --> 01:56:28,719
but people you know

3038
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:30,080
tend to forget

3039
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:31,440
there's a lot of companies that got

3040
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:34,560
started to do calculations

3041
01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:39,430
not everybody succeeds these things the

3042
01:56:43,270 --> 01:56:41,840
willingness to take risks

3043
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is one of the characteristics of

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not all of them work

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sorry that's the way it is

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uh we've got plenty to learn

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and that's one of the places where i

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differ with some of these objectors

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and the

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ancient academics and fossilized

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physicists who will tell you this is

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impossible that's impossible

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in my book kathleen martin and i wrote a

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reached at seven

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each one stimulated by some smart guy

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was sure of men would never fly any

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distance in a vehicle this is two months

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before the wright brothers first flight

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well we should always look at the

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statements just made a month or two

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before something is invented maybe

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there's something to be hinted at there

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now chris you were going to ask earlier

3178
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before we got involved in roswell and

3179
02:02:20,149 --> 02:02:18,400
other subjects a question with regard to

3180
02:02:23,109 --> 02:02:20,159
a certain interview with a certain

3181
02:02:25,510 --> 02:02:23,119
person in the london daily mail you want

3182
02:02:26,390 --> 02:02:25,520
to bring that up now uh yeah

3183
02:02:29,350 --> 02:02:26,400
um

3184
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:29,360
as we kind of touched on briefly before

3185
02:02:34,390 --> 02:02:31,679
hillary clinton and john podesta have

3186
02:02:36,470 --> 02:02:34,400
kind of been in the news of late talk

3187
02:02:37,750 --> 02:02:36,480
you know being asked questions about

3188
02:02:40,149 --> 02:02:37,760
disclosure

3189
02:02:42,709 --> 02:02:40,159
and uh stephen bassett has really kind

3190
02:02:44,870 --> 02:02:42,719
of taken this uh to heart and

3191
02:02:48,790 --> 02:02:44,880
he told the daily mail it's in the paper

3192
02:02:49,990 --> 02:02:48,800
today i'm reading off the msn.com site

3193
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:50,000
that uh

3194
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:51,840
and this is a quote this will be a

3195
02:02:56,629 --> 02:02:54,480
reality disclosure this year and across

3196
02:02:57,990 --> 02:02:56,639
the front pages of newspapers across the

3197
02:02:59,750 --> 02:02:58,000
world

3198
02:03:01,669 --> 02:02:59,760
he told the daily express adding that

3199
02:03:03,350 --> 02:03:01,679
e.t is real

3200
02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:03,360
it'll be the most significant news story

3201
02:03:07,750 --> 02:03:05,760
that's ever been broken we are going to

3202
02:03:09,109 --> 02:03:07,760
get disclosure this year i'm not sure

3203
02:03:11,270 --> 02:03:09,119
who will win the election but i think

3204
02:03:13,109 --> 02:03:11,280
obama will be the disclosure president

3205
02:03:14,870 --> 02:03:13,119
he'll be looking at a nobel prize for

3206
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:14,880
making this announcement

3207
02:03:19,589 --> 02:03:17,840
i am 85 sure obama will make the

3208
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:19,599
announcement before he leaves office and

3209
02:03:22,790 --> 02:03:21,040
within days

3210
02:03:25,589 --> 02:03:22,800
of your prime minister david cameron

3211
02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:25,599
will follow up and do the same thing

3212
02:03:28,709 --> 02:03:26,880
what do you think

3213
02:03:29,830 --> 02:03:28,719
who's the guy who said this

3214
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:29,840
basset

3215
02:03:38,470 --> 02:03:31,440
oh i thought you were talking about a

3216
02:03:43,430 --> 02:03:40,709
i'm sorry but i i've had dealings with

3217
02:03:45,750 --> 02:03:43,440
steve and i admire his

3218
02:03:47,750 --> 02:03:45,760
persistence enthusiasm

3219
02:03:50,229 --> 02:03:47,760
enthusiasm that's a nice way to put it

3220
02:03:52,229 --> 02:03:50,239
yes very polite way to put it

3221
02:03:54,149 --> 02:03:52,239
but i have no reason

3222
02:03:56,149 --> 02:03:54,159
i haven't seen the evidence that any of

3223
02:03:57,189 --> 02:03:56,159
those things are going to happen now

3224
02:03:58,870 --> 02:03:57,199
i've heard

3225
02:04:00,870 --> 02:03:58,880
linda howe told me that she had heard

3226
02:04:02,470 --> 02:04:00,880
that this was going to be the year of

3227
02:04:04,550 --> 02:04:02,480
disclosure

3228
02:04:08,470 --> 02:04:04,560
but they've been saying that year after

3229
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:08,480
year donald kehoe was saying that 1956

3230
02:04:14,870 --> 02:04:12,480
what can i say is the world ready for

3231
02:04:16,870 --> 02:04:14,880
trying to act like an earthling i don't

3232
02:04:19,109 --> 02:04:16,880
think so and remember that one of the

3233
02:04:21,589 --> 02:04:19,119
biggest things that happens

3234
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:21,599
is if you disclose

3235
02:04:26,470 --> 02:04:23,599
is that people in power will lose some

3236
02:04:28,310 --> 02:04:26,480
of those power to some of that power

3237
02:04:29,350 --> 02:04:28,320
you know heads of countries and stuff

3238
02:04:31,189 --> 02:04:29,360
like that

3239
02:04:33,750 --> 02:04:31,199
if nationalism is the only game in town

3240
02:04:35,990 --> 02:04:33,760
which it seems to be national armies

3241
02:04:36,870 --> 02:04:36,000
navies etc

3242
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:36,880
then

3243
02:04:43,910 --> 02:04:41,199
nobody in those illustrious circles

3244
02:04:45,030 --> 02:04:43,920
wants people to forget about nationalism

3245
02:04:47,189 --> 02:04:45,040
and start

3246
02:04:48,950 --> 02:04:47,199
thinking about planetarianism if i can

3247
02:04:49,910 --> 02:04:48,960
put it that way they've got a lot to

3248
02:04:51,669 --> 02:04:49,920
lose

3249
02:04:53,350 --> 02:04:51,679
and you know i've often asked what

3250
02:04:55,910 --> 02:04:53,360
happens if the queen and the pope

3251
02:04:57,830 --> 02:04:55,920
there's an odd couple for you announce

3252
02:04:59,350 --> 02:04:57,840
that we have it on good authority that

3253
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:59,360
planet earth is being visited by

3254
02:05:02,950 --> 02:05:00,560
intelligently controlled

3255
02:05:05,270 --> 02:05:02,960
extraterrestrial spacecraft there are

3256
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:05,280
beings on board and we're pleased to

3257
02:05:09,589 --> 02:05:07,520
announce that there will be six

3258
02:05:10,310 --> 02:05:09,599
international conferences considering

3259
02:05:12,310 --> 02:05:10,320
the

3260
02:05:14,709 --> 02:05:12,320
oh religious

3261
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:14,719
the technological

3262
02:05:19,270 --> 02:05:17,040
other aspects of this

3263
02:05:20,950 --> 02:05:19,280
and what will happen oh stock market's

3264
02:05:22,149 --> 02:05:20,960
going to go down because uncertainty is

3265
02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:22,159
the enemy

3266
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:23,840
mental hospital admissions would go up i

3267
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:26,320
suppose well and fundamentalist suicides

3268
02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:28,320
would like go through the roof

3269
02:05:32,390 --> 02:05:29,440
you're right

3270
02:05:34,629 --> 02:05:32,400
and so none of those things are

3271
02:05:37,109 --> 02:05:34,639
automatically good things we don't know

3272
02:05:39,510 --> 02:05:37,119
how to make a transition from the kind

3273
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:39,520
of world in which we have been living

3274
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:42,960
to the great detriment of mankind

3275
02:05:47,430 --> 02:05:44,880
you know when i say 50 million people

3276
02:05:50,950 --> 02:05:47,440
were killed in world war ii i mean it

3277
02:05:54,310 --> 02:05:50,960
some say 60 but i'll be conservative

3278
02:05:56,149 --> 02:05:54,320
is this a sign of an advanced technology

3279
02:05:57,750 --> 02:05:56,159
i have trouble with that if you want an

3280
02:05:59,589 --> 02:05:57,760
honest opinion

3281
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:59,599
yeah we're just petulant children in the

3282
02:06:01,589 --> 02:06:00,880
cosmos

3283
02:06:03,669 --> 02:06:01,599
and

3284
02:06:06,310 --> 02:06:03,679
we have diaper ships that are hovering

3285
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:06,320
around the planet waiting to uh

3286
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:08,400
waiting to apply the uh

3287
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:10,480
appropriate technology to our primitive

3288
02:06:13,830 --> 02:06:13,040
tribal asses

3289
02:06:17,990 --> 02:06:13,840
well

3290
02:06:19,669 --> 02:06:18,000
we certainly do behave in primitive ways

3291
02:06:22,070 --> 02:06:19,679
except up in canada

3292
02:06:24,629 --> 02:06:22,080
where there's sensible people

3293
02:06:25,589 --> 02:06:24,639
well i tend to think that as somebody

3294
02:06:27,990 --> 02:06:25,599
who's

3295
02:06:30,229 --> 02:06:28,000
look i'm a dual citizen i can complain

3296
02:06:32,709 --> 02:06:30,239
about both governments perfectly legally

3297
02:06:34,629 --> 02:06:32,719
united states

3298
02:06:36,470 --> 02:06:34,639
oh that must be fun that's going to keep

3299
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:36,480
you working all day long forget about

3300
02:06:41,510 --> 02:06:38,320
the rest of the stuff right and strip

3301
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:45,189
well you know uh all i'm saying is it

3302
02:06:49,830 --> 02:06:47,840
doesn't take much looking around

3303
02:06:52,709 --> 02:06:49,840
spending a trillion dollars on things

3304
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:52,719
military in a year how many kids died of

3305
02:06:55,589 --> 02:06:54,880
starvation yesterday i know it's it's

3306
02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:55,599
just

3307
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:58,400
the day before and the day before that

3308
02:07:02,950 --> 02:07:00,400
but remember government

3309
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:02,960
is the problem we have to have less of

3310
02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:06,400
it so fewer children will be helped

3311
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:12,470
no i i think there are big

3312
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:14,960
considerations here and

3313
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:17,360
you know i haven't talked to barry

3314
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:19,599
downing in a long time

3315
02:07:24,629 --> 02:07:21,599
but he wrote his excellent book about

3316
02:07:26,229 --> 02:07:24,639
flying saucers in the bible and

3317
02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:26,239
one of barry's complaints was he

3318
02:07:30,629 --> 02:07:28,079
couldn't get other theologians to talk

3319
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:30,639
to him about it

3320
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:32,639
uh how do you have a decent discussion

3321
02:07:38,830 --> 02:07:35,840
about that and some people don't want to

3322
02:07:41,669 --> 02:07:38,840
i just have to see here that e.t

3323
02:07:43,750 --> 02:07:41,679
lands and they communicate with us and

3324
02:07:45,510 --> 02:07:43,760
they're asked about religion and they

3325
02:07:48,310 --> 02:07:45,520
say what's that

3326
02:07:50,069 --> 02:07:48,320
[Laughter]

3327
02:07:52,310 --> 02:07:50,079
you've been washerman one of our guys

3328
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:52,320
for a long time

3329
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:54,000
wouldn't that be an answer that would

3330
02:08:01,750 --> 02:07:59,750
or they could say oh you mean when we

3331
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:01,760
showed up a couple of thousand years ago

3332
02:08:06,629 --> 02:08:04,960
and seated you people

3333
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:06,639
yeah there are all kinds of good answers

3334
02:08:11,350 --> 02:08:09,119
for that question but

3335
02:08:12,790 --> 02:08:11,360
i i am concerned

3336
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:12,800
what kind of a world is my

3337
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:14,960
great-grandson going to

3338
02:08:24,390 --> 02:08:23,109
you know it's a sad commentary indeed

3339
02:08:26,229 --> 02:08:24,400
and

3340
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:26,239
when i all these stories you've had

3341
02:08:30,069 --> 02:08:28,560
probably had bob salas on the air

3342
02:08:31,510 --> 02:08:30,079
haven't you

3343
02:08:34,069 --> 02:08:31,520
yes

3344
02:08:36,390 --> 02:08:34,079
okay so when you see things like that

3345
02:08:38,709 --> 02:08:36,400
happen

3346
02:08:40,709 --> 02:08:38,719
you say is it out of self-interest why

3347
02:08:42,709 --> 02:08:40,719
do the aliens do that are they sending

3348
02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:42,719
us a message

3349
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:44,320
and i think they are sending us a

3350
02:08:47,990 --> 02:08:45,760
message

3351
02:08:49,750 --> 02:08:48,000
now speaking of whether they're sending

3352
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:49,760
us a message or not

3353
02:08:54,149 --> 02:08:51,760
what are your feelings about the

3354
02:08:56,470 --> 02:08:54,159
statements by some that the major part

3355
02:08:58,950 --> 02:08:56,480
of the ufo mystery is long ago and far

3356
02:09:01,589 --> 02:08:58,960
away and the vast majority of recent

3357
02:09:03,750 --> 02:09:01,599
sightings are easily explained away and

3358
02:09:04,870 --> 02:09:03,760
that maybe e.t doesn't care about us

3359
02:09:07,030 --> 02:09:04,880
anymore

3360
02:09:08,950 --> 02:09:07,040
well i i think that that's a gross

3361
02:09:11,270 --> 02:09:08,960
exaggeration

3362
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:11,280
look that you know you can go back many

3363
02:09:16,310 --> 02:09:13,040
years many decades

3364
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:16,320
where people say look phil class all

3365
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:19,040
sightings have prosaic explanations

3366
02:09:22,629 --> 02:09:21,040
donald menzel said that at least i can

3367
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:22,639
give mental credit for doing something

3368
02:09:26,069 --> 02:09:24,400
for his country

3369
02:09:27,669 --> 02:09:26,079
uh

3370
02:09:29,030 --> 02:09:27,679
some people may be shocked when i say

3371
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that but

3372
02:09:32,550 --> 02:09:31,360
i am very was very impressed when i

3373
02:09:35,589 --> 02:09:32,560
found out

3374
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:35,599
that he did all kinds of classified work

3375
02:09:40,629 --> 02:09:37,920
for government agencies

3376
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:40,639
and nobody knew about it

3377
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:42,639
i was totally shocked when i was looking

3378
02:09:47,910 --> 02:09:45,280
at a letter he wrote to jack kennedy

3379
02:09:49,510 --> 02:09:47,920
in the harvard archives

3380
02:09:51,030 --> 02:09:49,520
saying that uh

3381
02:09:53,189 --> 02:09:51,040
there's one area where i may be able to

3382
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be of assistance to you with regard to

3383
02:10:02,069 --> 02:09:53,920
the

3384
02:10:04,229 --> 02:10:02,079
agency so he wasn't just trolling to get

3385
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a little extra work because being an

3386
02:10:09,109 --> 02:10:06,639
astronomer at harvard may not be the

3387
02:10:11,030 --> 02:10:09,119
highest paying job in the world even

3388
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:11,040
though it's harbored even though it has

3389
02:10:15,030 --> 02:10:12,800
plenty of prestige

3390
02:10:16,310 --> 02:10:15,040
he did lots of consulting work for other

3391
02:10:18,149 --> 02:10:16,320
outfits

3392
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:18,159
a great deal as a matter of fact he said

3393
02:10:23,430 --> 02:10:19,840
in one letter that

3394
02:10:26,709 --> 02:10:23,440
more of his retirement income came from

3395
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:26,719
outside of harvard than from harvard

3396
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we'll get into more of these things with

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3492
02:15:15,030 --> 02:15:12,960
speaking about ufo activity and how it's

3493
02:15:17,510 --> 02:15:15,040
changed over the years do we have the

3494
02:15:19,030 --> 02:15:17,520
same kind of sightings now that we had

3495
02:15:21,189 --> 02:15:19,040
before

3496
02:15:23,589 --> 02:15:21,199
or is it our perception or do we know

3497
02:15:25,270 --> 02:15:23,599
more about what's happening out there so

3498
02:15:27,109 --> 02:15:25,280
we can get rid of the stuff that really

3499
02:15:28,149 --> 02:15:27,119
has a conventional explanation what do

3500
02:15:30,550 --> 02:15:28,159
you think

3501
02:15:32,390 --> 02:15:30,560
i think we do know a bit more

3502
02:15:35,589 --> 02:15:32,400
and there are more people who know more

3503
02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:35,599
maybe ex-military guys stuff like that

3504
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:37,520
and i think also

3505
02:15:41,430 --> 02:15:39,679
we're getting more more people have

3506
02:15:42,709 --> 02:15:41,440
instrumentation

3507
02:15:46,550 --> 02:15:42,719
i think

3508
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:46,560
you know all those i'm just going to say

3509
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:48,719
night binoculars that's the wrong term

3510
02:15:52,069 --> 02:15:49,520
but

3511
02:15:53,510 --> 02:15:52,079
uh infrared binoculars stuff like that

3512
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:53,520
look at what's going on up there did you

3513
02:15:58,229 --> 02:15:56,320
ever look through one of those holy cow

3514
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:58,239
all kinds of stuff floating around up

3515
02:16:02,950 --> 02:16:00,560
there or zipping around up there

3516
02:16:04,629 --> 02:16:02,960
i don't think the sightings have changed

3517
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:04,639
that much

3518
02:16:10,149 --> 02:16:07,679
like i said mufon gets more than 500

3519
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:10,159
citing reports a month

3520
02:16:13,350 --> 02:16:11,760
i know from asking at the end of my

3521
02:16:14,950 --> 02:16:13,360
lecture

3522
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:14,960
that ninety percent of people who have a

3523
02:16:19,270 --> 02:16:16,960
sighting don't report it

3524
02:16:21,109 --> 02:16:19,280
so there's a lot going on

3525
02:16:23,750 --> 02:16:21,119
but who pays attention

3526
02:16:25,910 --> 02:16:23,760
you know that's the question

3527
02:16:28,390 --> 02:16:25,920
and it maybe we're seeing that in the

3528
02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:28,400
fact that hillary hasn't been laughed

3529
02:16:30,550 --> 02:16:29,440
out of

3530
02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:30,560
town

3531
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:32,240
for suggesting that there may be

3532
02:16:34,870 --> 02:16:33,679
information that the government hasn't

3533
02:16:37,509 --> 02:16:34,880
released

3534
02:16:39,270 --> 02:16:37,519
that's a mighty big statement isn't it

3535
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:39,280
at least i think it is

3536
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:42,639
well ambassador thinks so

3537
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:44,080
that's for sure

3538
02:16:48,469 --> 02:16:46,559
we live in interesting times as somebody

3539
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:48,479
said but

3540
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:51,040
when when you have billionaires talking

3541
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:52,960
about sending little spacecraft out to

3542
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:54,240
another star

3543
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:56,639
but ignoring all the information we have

3544
02:17:02,469 --> 02:16:58,960
that somebody out there is sending stuff

3545
02:17:04,469 --> 02:17:02,479
here that's almost funny

3546
02:17:06,309 --> 02:17:04,479
you know one thing i worry about in

3547
02:17:08,549 --> 02:17:06,319
terms of press coverage is the fact that

3548
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:08,559
there are no follow-ups and they don't

3549
02:17:11,990 --> 02:17:10,240
do their research so we have a daily

3550
02:17:14,150 --> 02:17:12,000
mail which of course is not necessarily

3551
02:17:15,190 --> 02:17:14,160
the most reliable newspaper on the

3552
02:17:17,750 --> 02:17:15,200
planet

3553
02:17:20,790 --> 02:17:17,760
and they're talking to stephen bassett

3554
02:17:21,910 --> 02:17:20,800
and no one says hey wait a minute

3555
02:17:24,790 --> 02:17:21,920
have you

3556
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:24,800
you've been saying this for 20 years

3557
02:17:28,950 --> 02:17:26,399
you're saying it's eminent and it never

3558
02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:28,960
comes to pass so why should we believe

3559
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:30,160
you now

3560
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,120
well

3561
02:17:34,950 --> 02:17:33,280
nobody says that do they

3562
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:34,960
never ask him that question of course we

3563
02:17:39,270 --> 02:17:37,120
would well that's not sensational that

3564
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:39,280
that kind of deflates the sensational

3565
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:41,120
balloon i mean i had stephen greer in

3566
02:17:44,549 --> 02:17:42,800
november 94.

3567
02:17:49,750 --> 02:17:44,559
guarantee

3568
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:49,760
really oh yeah

3569
02:17:52,469 --> 02:17:51,439
have it on tape

3570
02:17:55,910 --> 02:17:52,479
wow

3571
02:17:58,270 --> 02:17:55,920
well when you talked about greer is your

3572
02:18:00,230 --> 02:17:58,280
guy who asked questions i thought

3573
02:18:01,110 --> 02:18:00,240
foreign planner

3574
02:18:03,429 --> 02:18:01,120
okay

3575
02:18:05,669 --> 02:18:03,439
not the same one i assure you

3576
02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:05,679
that greer is not posting messages on

3577
02:18:10,309 --> 02:18:08,000
the power cast i can tell you he

3578
02:18:12,230 --> 02:18:10,319
probably doesn't even read our forums

3579
02:18:14,150 --> 02:18:12,240
because if he did he would not be very

3580
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:14,160
happy no

3581
02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:16,160
no you're right about that you're right

3582
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:18,000
about that i think

3583
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:22,399
look ufology is an interesting field

3584
02:18:25,990 --> 02:18:23,599
how many

3585
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:26,000
phd theses are being done this year

3586
02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:28,160
related to ufos

3587
02:18:32,629 --> 02:18:29,920
i don't know but i doubt if it's a very

3588
02:18:34,150 --> 02:18:32,639
large number there have been dozens

3589
02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:34,160
over the years

3590
02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:35,920
one of the most interesting was the one

3591
02:18:41,429 --> 02:18:38,639
on press coverage of ufos

3592
02:18:43,750 --> 02:18:41,439
by dr herbert strantz

3593
02:18:45,750 --> 02:18:43,760
he was at middle school of her medal i

3594
02:18:47,429 --> 02:18:45,760
don't know which school of journalism at

3595
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:47,439
northwestern

3596
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he can you believe somebody would be

3597
02:18:54,870 --> 02:18:51,760
willing to read 10 000 clippings about

3598
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:54,880
flying saucers my goodness

3599
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:56,639
oh my eyes are swimming just thinking

3600
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:57,840
about it

3601
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:00,160
well yeah i mean it's and how many are

3602
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:02,880
reliable and all the rest but he he

3603
02:19:07,110 --> 02:19:05,599
condemned the press for their poor job

3604
02:19:08,389 --> 02:19:07,120
and not telling the right people not

3605
02:19:11,270 --> 02:19:08,399
making an effort to get the right

3606
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:11,280
information all that sort of stuff

3607
02:19:13,349 --> 02:19:12,479
so uh

3608
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:13,359
you know

3609
02:19:16,709 --> 02:19:14,639
uh

3610
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:16,719
but that's only one

3611
02:19:19,910 --> 02:19:18,399
you know if you're the right person like

3612
02:19:21,429 --> 02:19:19,920
stephen hawking you can get a lot of

3613
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:21,439
publicity

3614
02:19:25,429 --> 02:19:23,599
but remember stephen hawking was the one

3615
02:19:27,190 --> 02:19:25,439
who also said that

3616
02:19:28,790 --> 02:19:27,200
you know we shouldn't let aliens know

3617
02:19:32,070 --> 02:19:28,800
we're here

3618
02:19:34,150 --> 02:19:32,080
because the impact of the of columbus

3619
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:34,160
and so forth

3620
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:37,200
it wasn't good for the population

3621
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:40,160
in the new world it makes sense

3622
02:19:47,349 --> 02:19:43,120
well except that the aliens know we're

3623
02:19:53,030 --> 02:19:49,990
that totally ignores the consistent

3624
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:53,040
picture in the astronomical and

3625
02:19:59,270 --> 02:19:55,840
fancy physics field

3626
02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:59,280
is to ignore the evidence

3627
02:20:04,070 --> 02:20:00,319
uh

3628
02:20:07,030 --> 02:20:05,349
saying that the proof that the

3629
02:20:08,790 --> 02:20:07,040
government can't keep secrets is how

3630
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:08,800
much we know about president clinton's

3631
02:20:12,950 --> 02:20:10,640
genitalia

3632
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:12,960
neil degrasse tyson head of the hayden

3633
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:14,560
planetarium

3634
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:18,000
finisher redoer of cosmos the

3635
02:20:24,710 --> 02:20:21,280
television special

3636
02:20:25,910 --> 02:20:24,720
an utterly ridiculous thing to say

3637
02:20:28,950 --> 02:20:25,920
because you know anything about flying

3638
02:20:30,550 --> 02:20:28,960
sausage not so far as i can tell

3639
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:30,560
does he know anything about government

3640
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,000
security not so far as i can tell

3641
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:36,080
and you know i want to bring up a point

3642
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:36,960
that

3643
02:20:41,190 --> 02:20:39,200
some people said some people

3644
02:20:43,750 --> 02:20:41,200
ufology have said

3645
02:20:46,870 --> 02:20:43,760
look stan there is nothing being covered

3646
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:46,880
up there are no secrets out there

3647
02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:48,880
and i keep asking okay can you tell me

3648
02:20:54,469 --> 02:20:52,479
what's on those 156 pages of nsa ufo

3649
02:20:57,270 --> 02:20:54,479
data where you can read one sentence per

3650
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:57,280
page everything else is whited out

3651
02:21:02,150 --> 02:20:59,520
that's being withheld

3652
02:21:03,750 --> 02:21:02,160
i've got some top secret umbra stuff

3653
02:21:06,950 --> 02:21:03,760
that's that's what that is

3654
02:21:08,070 --> 02:21:06,960
and from the cia it's all blacked out

3655
02:21:10,230 --> 02:21:08,080
and you're telling me there's nothing

3656
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:10,240
being withheld and where's all that

3657
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:11,359
great stuff

3658
02:21:16,550 --> 02:21:13,680
or nro i should say

3659
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:16,560
well there's nro and nsa and look the

3660
02:21:20,550 --> 02:21:18,000
washington post a little over three

3661
02:21:22,870 --> 02:21:20,560
years ago said that the total military

3662
02:21:27,750 --> 02:21:22,880
intelligence budget

3663
02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:27,760
that year was 52.6 billion dollars

3664
02:21:34,710 --> 02:21:31,760
primarily nro nsa cia

3665
02:21:36,550 --> 02:21:34,720
52 billion dollars in one year is a lot

3666
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:36,560
of dough man

3667
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at least i think it is i mean maybe you

3668
02:21:43,030 --> 02:21:40,399
guys have lots of money

3669
02:21:45,190 --> 02:21:43,040
that's a lot of paper getting pushed

3670
02:21:48,469 --> 02:21:45,200
you're right about that

3671
02:21:49,510 --> 02:21:48,479
and again i go back to general bolander

3672
02:21:52,070 --> 02:21:49,520
uh

3673
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:52,080
and i think the answer to the question

3674
02:21:55,429 --> 02:21:54,000
where does all that stuff go if reports

3675
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:55,439
which could affect national security are

3676
02:22:00,630 --> 02:21:57,600
not part of the blue book system

3677
02:22:02,230 --> 02:22:00,640
i'd say majestic 12. i can hear 27

3678
02:22:04,309 --> 02:22:02,240
people saying what do you mean there's

3679
02:22:05,830 --> 02:22:04,319
no majestic 12.

3680
02:22:08,230 --> 02:22:05,840
well i would certainly agree that there

3681
02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:08,240
are a whole bunch of phony mj documents

3682
02:22:12,630 --> 02:22:10,800
so what i think they're four good ones

3683
02:22:15,030 --> 02:22:12,640
well let me ask you a question here

3684
02:22:16,070 --> 02:22:15,040
we've got all those mj12 documents that

3685
02:22:18,070 --> 02:22:16,080
are false

3686
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,080
is that to hide the existence of the

3687
02:22:22,870 --> 02:22:20,880
four you say a genuine or what why the

3688
02:22:25,429 --> 02:22:22,880
concentration on this

3689
02:22:27,190 --> 02:22:25,439
well i think that you can't stand up and

3690
02:22:28,550 --> 02:22:27,200
say we can't tell you what's really

3691
02:22:31,349 --> 02:22:28,560
going on

3692
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:31,359
but if you fill the flood to market with

3693
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:33,280
crap some of it's going to stick to the

3694
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:34,880
good stuff

3695
02:22:38,950 --> 02:22:37,680
and you don't need to say anything

3696
02:22:41,429 --> 02:22:38,960
so i

3697
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:41,439
i once asked somebody uh who would work

3698
02:22:44,630 --> 02:22:43,120
for the cia

3699
02:22:46,389 --> 02:22:44,640
uh

3700
02:22:48,950 --> 02:22:46,399
surely the air force

3701
02:22:51,190 --> 02:22:48,960
and afosi air force officer special

3702
02:22:53,110 --> 02:22:51,200
investigations must have classes in

3703
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which the students get asked to create

3704
02:22:56,710 --> 02:22:54,880
phony documents

3705
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:56,720
look a real breakthrough came through

3706
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for me

3707
02:23:02,790 --> 02:23:00,800
when i was trying to figure out whether

3708
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:02,800
general wiedemeyer could possibly have

3709
02:23:07,190 --> 02:23:05,520
anything to do with ufos he was a china

3710
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expert

3711
02:23:11,349 --> 02:23:09,120
so i talked to an archivist at the

3712
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marshall archives marshall was close to

3713
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wedemeyer

3714
02:23:16,790 --> 02:23:14,880
and i said can you see any reason why

3715
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you would be involved in this no i can't

3716
02:23:20,469 --> 02:23:18,880
why don't you read his book well i hate

3717
02:23:22,230 --> 02:23:20,479
to admit it i didn't know i'd

3718
02:23:25,510 --> 02:23:22,240
written a book

3719
02:23:27,349 --> 02:23:25,520
we don't hire reports in the late 50s

3720
02:23:29,429 --> 02:23:27,359
so i called the university of new

3721
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brunswick library which is less than two

3722
02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:31,680
miles from my house

3723
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you have this book they did i went over

3724
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and got it

3725
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:38,319
it's five minutes away

3726
02:23:45,030 --> 02:23:40,319
uh and then i started going through it

3727
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and i very quickly found three documents

3728
02:23:49,429 --> 02:23:47,600
which had been emulated

3729
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you know you make a few changes you

3730
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leave the handwritten stuff

3731
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okay xerox that

3732
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:55,520
and you retype

3733
02:24:01,030 --> 02:23:57,680
and you come up with a phony document i

3734
02:24:02,630 --> 02:24:01,040
found three of them in this one book

3735
02:24:04,790 --> 02:24:02,640
and then i went back to the same part of

3736
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:04,800
the library

3737
02:24:11,429 --> 02:24:09,040
and i found a few more in other books

3738
02:24:13,030 --> 02:24:11,439
so it was perfectly clear what was being

3739
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done it wasn't

3740
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you know he didn't mean i need an iq of

3741
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200 to do that

3742
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uh

3743
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so

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put out garbage

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before we get into more of that

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not garbage but good stuff

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we got good stuff coming with stanton

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okay this is our final segment with

3859
02:29:11,990 --> 02:29:10,560
stanton t friedman and a lot of ground

3860
02:29:14,230 --> 02:29:12,000
to cover still

3861
02:29:15,910 --> 02:29:14,240
all right putting all the stuff together

3862
02:29:18,309 --> 02:29:15,920
you're not as young as you used to be

3863
02:29:20,070 --> 02:29:18,319
and i know you still sound like you're

3864
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:20,080
as young as you used to be how did you

3865
02:29:25,670 --> 02:29:23,040
figure that out well you know i

3866
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:25,680
am not as young as i used to be and i'm

3867
02:29:29,590 --> 02:29:27,920
kind of guessing about what's going on

3868
02:29:31,830 --> 02:29:29,600
however

3869
02:29:34,389 --> 02:29:31,840
after all these years

3870
02:29:36,550 --> 02:29:34,399
all this stuff we have out there

3871
02:29:37,510 --> 02:29:36,560
when are we going to move to that final

3872
02:29:40,150 --> 02:29:37,520
level

3873
02:29:42,469 --> 02:29:40,160
assuming that obama is not going to

3874
02:29:43,830 --> 02:29:42,479
engage in disclosure this year before he

3875
02:29:45,429 --> 02:29:43,840
leaves

3876
02:29:47,990 --> 02:29:45,439
the white house

3877
02:29:49,030 --> 02:29:48,000
assuming president hillary if she is

3878
02:29:50,550 --> 02:29:49,040
elected

3879
02:29:52,309 --> 02:29:50,560
won't do it either

3880
02:29:53,830 --> 02:29:52,319
when's it going to happen

3881
02:29:56,150 --> 02:29:53,840
well i think the only time it's going to

3882
02:29:57,990 --> 02:29:56,160
happen is when some media group decides

3883
02:30:00,550 --> 02:29:58,000
to get a woodward and bernstein kind of

3884
02:30:02,830 --> 02:30:00,560
effort going look if you show those

3885
02:30:06,309 --> 02:30:02,840
whited out documents and the blacked out

3886
02:30:08,469 --> 02:30:06,319
documents bring out the bolander memo

3887
02:30:10,550 --> 02:30:08,479
and all this sort of stuff

3888
02:30:13,270 --> 02:30:10,560
it's inescapable

3889
02:30:15,590 --> 02:30:13,280
that's why i call it a cosmic watergate

3890
02:30:17,590 --> 02:30:15,600
the press had courage then

3891
02:30:19,750 --> 02:30:17,600
it doesn't seem to have that courage now

3892
02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:19,760
of course it's got financial problems

3893
02:30:23,510 --> 02:30:22,080
too which is another problem

3894
02:30:25,190 --> 02:30:23,520
with the internet and all those other

3895
02:30:26,150 --> 02:30:25,200
things that are in competition with it

3896
02:30:27,670 --> 02:30:26,160
but

3897
02:30:30,790 --> 02:30:27,680
i don't know when anything's going to

3898
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:30,800
happen but i think it could be done

3899
02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:32,720
for less than it took to blow the lid

3900
02:30:36,469 --> 02:30:34,319
off watergate

3901
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:36,479
but is anybody willing to spend that not

3902
02:30:40,309 --> 02:30:37,760
that i know of

3903
02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:40,319
get that russian million billionaire

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02:30:45,349 --> 02:30:41,120
to

3905
02:30:48,150 --> 02:30:45,359
look

3906
02:30:51,590 --> 02:30:48,160
has anybody offered payment

3907
02:30:53,510 --> 02:30:51,600
i mean ask for former military people

3908
02:30:55,510 --> 02:30:53,520
to submit their report

3909
02:30:57,510 --> 02:30:55,520
ask the government to say are you

3910
02:30:59,510 --> 02:30:57,520
willing to say since you're claiming

3911
02:31:01,429 --> 02:30:59,520
there's no cover-up

3912
02:31:03,030 --> 02:31:01,439
know the data that we haven't seen are

3913
02:31:04,710 --> 02:31:03,040
you willing to say nobody will be

3914
02:31:06,150 --> 02:31:04,720
punished for releasing what you say

3915
02:31:08,150 --> 02:31:06,160
doesn't exist

3916
02:31:09,670 --> 02:31:08,160
i don't know how many uh people are

3917
02:31:11,670 --> 02:31:09,680
willing to say that

3918
02:31:13,429 --> 02:31:11,680
there's data out there

3919
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:13,439
people come to my lectures are shocked

3920
02:31:16,870 --> 02:31:14,640
when uh

3921
02:31:19,270 --> 02:31:16,880
i gave a talk to the

3922
02:31:20,870 --> 02:31:19,280
journalists association of canada that's

3923
02:31:22,790 --> 02:31:20,880
not the right names name something like

3924
02:31:24,550 --> 02:31:22,800
that i was asked if i would speak to

3925
02:31:26,469 --> 02:31:24,560
them and they had a meeting 60 miles

3926
02:31:29,429 --> 02:31:26,479
from here and i said sure

3927
02:31:31,110 --> 02:31:29,439
so i did that and the guy who would ask

3928
02:31:32,710 --> 02:31:31,120
me told me later

3929
02:31:34,630 --> 02:31:32,720
he said stan i've never seen so many

3930
02:31:36,950 --> 02:31:34,640
reporters change their mind so quickly

3931
02:31:37,830 --> 02:31:36,960
they had no idea how much data is out

3932
02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:37,840
there

3933
02:31:41,030 --> 02:31:38,800
and so

3934
02:31:42,950 --> 02:31:41,040
it's not that hard but you've got to be

3935
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:42,960
in the right place to put the stuff out

3936
02:31:46,790 --> 02:31:44,160
there

3937
02:31:49,590 --> 02:31:46,800
and you've got to change the attitude

3938
02:31:51,349 --> 02:31:49,600
if everybody thinks you've got to laugh

3939
02:31:53,510 --> 02:31:51,359
then we're still in trouble

3940
02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:53,520
let's put the facts out on the table

3941
02:31:57,910 --> 02:31:55,200
well certainly with so many hundreds of

3942
02:31:59,030 --> 02:31:57,920
ufo books and thousands and thousands of

3943
02:32:00,710 --> 02:31:59,040
articles

3944
02:32:03,190 --> 02:32:00,720
all the lectures you've given over the

3945
02:32:05,910 --> 02:32:03,200
years the information's on the table

3946
02:32:08,710 --> 02:32:05,920
there yeah but nobody in charge of the

3947
02:32:09,670 --> 02:32:08,720
washington post for example is looking

3948
02:32:11,670 --> 02:32:09,680
at it

3949
02:32:13,270 --> 02:32:11,680
for the new york times

3950
02:32:15,510 --> 02:32:13,280
look how could the new york times even

3951
02:32:16,790 --> 02:32:15,520
push the notion that it was crash test

3952
02:32:19,190 --> 02:32:16,800
dummies

3953
02:32:22,309 --> 02:32:19,200
that were responsible for the

3954
02:32:24,550 --> 02:32:22,319
stories about bodies at roswell

3955
02:32:27,750 --> 02:32:24,560
when none were dropped until six years

3956
02:32:29,429 --> 02:32:27,760
after roswell for goodness sakes

3957
02:32:31,910 --> 02:32:29,439
people's memories are found they were

3958
02:32:32,790 --> 02:32:31,920
time traveling crash test dummies

3959
02:32:35,910 --> 02:32:32,800
ah

3960
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:35,920
okay that's easy to accept isn't it

3961
02:32:39,670 --> 02:32:37,439
what can i say

3962
02:32:42,150 --> 02:32:39,680
no there's a lot of ludicrousness about

3963
02:32:44,309 --> 02:32:42,160
the whole business frankly yeah just go

3964
02:32:46,710 --> 02:32:44,319
look at the nearest gallery of ufo

3965
02:32:49,190 --> 02:32:46,720
photos on the internet

3966
02:32:51,270 --> 02:32:49,200
oh boy no i haven't bothered to do that

3967
02:32:52,469 --> 02:32:51,280
don't don't uh you'll become very

3968
02:32:54,389 --> 02:32:52,479
depressed

3969
02:32:58,230 --> 02:32:54,399
sorry about that okay i won't do that i

3970
02:33:02,630 --> 02:32:59,910
yeah it's pretty grim

3971
02:33:05,670 --> 02:33:02,640
well yeah look i haven't given out my

3972
02:33:07,750 --> 02:33:05,680
website really and uh i'd like to do

3973
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:07,760
that for people who say who is this guy

3974
02:33:11,030 --> 02:33:09,280
how can i find out more so i can give

3975
02:33:15,990 --> 02:33:11,040
him a hard time

3976
02:33:19,830 --> 02:33:17,510
list my books

3977
02:33:21,590 --> 02:33:19,840
list my

3978
02:33:22,950 --> 02:33:21,600
and people said well why should they get

3979
02:33:24,630 --> 02:33:22,960
it from you can't they get it from

3980
02:33:26,469 --> 02:33:24,640
amazon i gotta ask this question the

3981
02:33:28,790 --> 02:33:26,479
other day i said there's one thing you

3982
02:33:31,030 --> 02:33:28,800
won't get from amazon that's my

3983
02:33:31,990 --> 02:33:31,040
autograph on the book

3984
02:33:33,590 --> 02:33:32,000
oh

3985
02:33:37,110 --> 02:33:33,600
well maybe that is a reason to get it

3986
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:37,120
from you instead of outside

3987
02:33:41,750 --> 02:33:39,280
but if you look at the website

3988
02:33:43,990 --> 02:33:41,760
they'll also see the lectures i'm doing

3989
02:33:44,870 --> 02:33:44,000
in the next month or so i'm going to be

3990
02:33:47,510 --> 02:33:44,880
busy

3991
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:47,520
despite my advanced age

3992
02:33:51,030 --> 02:33:48,479
uh

3993
02:33:53,190 --> 02:33:51,040
you know contacting the desert

3994
02:33:56,150 --> 02:33:53,200
there'll be thousands of people here and

3995
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:56,160
you know there's an interesting number

3996
02:34:01,429 --> 02:33:59,040
are people interested in ufos well

3997
02:34:04,389 --> 02:34:01,439
roswell left here

3998
02:34:07,830 --> 02:34:04,399
at the annual festival

3999
02:34:09,270 --> 02:34:07,840
had almost 10 000 people attend

4000
02:34:11,830 --> 02:34:09,280
more interesting

4001
02:34:14,150 --> 02:34:11,840
last year at the museum in roswell the

4002
02:34:15,870 --> 02:34:14,160
uf international ufo museum and research

4003
02:34:20,230 --> 02:34:15,880
center

4004
02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:20,240
184 000 people went there

4005
02:34:23,910 --> 02:34:21,840
and when you figure roswell isn't on the

4006
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:23,920
way to anywhere

4007
02:34:27,910 --> 02:34:25,680
i mean it's 200 miles from amarillo 200

4008
02:34:29,110 --> 02:34:27,920
miles from albuquerque 200 miles from el

4009
02:34:30,550 --> 02:34:29,120
paso

4010
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:30,560
but people come in they come there with

4011
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:32,880
their families uh people say why do they

4012
02:34:36,550 --> 02:34:34,560
have costume contests we're gonna have

4013
02:34:38,230 --> 02:34:36,560
something for the kids don't you you

4014
02:34:41,030 --> 02:34:38,240
know you expect them to listen to all

4015
02:34:42,389 --> 02:34:41,040
the lectures or panelists like me and

4016
02:34:45,750 --> 02:34:42,399
stuff like that

4017
02:34:47,270 --> 02:34:45,760
but 184 000 is coming to a city of 50

4018
02:34:48,550 --> 02:34:47,280
000

4019
02:34:50,230 --> 02:34:48,560
uh

4020
02:34:52,230 --> 02:34:50,240
well it certainly brings in the tourist

4021
02:34:54,550 --> 02:34:52,240
dollars i'll tell you that

4022
02:34:55,990 --> 02:34:54,560
tourist dollars oh yes yes i would say

4023
02:34:57,990 --> 02:34:56,000
the truest than i was trying to make

4024
02:35:01,590 --> 02:34:58,000
what's a true dollar

4025
02:35:02,550 --> 02:35:01,600
there's no such thing as a true dollar

4026
02:35:03,670 --> 02:35:02,560
well

4027
02:35:06,550 --> 02:35:03,680
what um

4028
02:35:08,550 --> 02:35:06,560
that's that is an indication

4029
02:35:10,150 --> 02:35:08,560
of the interest and look at all the

4030
02:35:11,270 --> 02:35:10,160
colleges i've spoken at many of them

4031
02:35:13,830 --> 02:35:11,280
i've been told you had the biggest

4032
02:35:16,309 --> 02:35:13,840
lecture crowd we've ever had for speaker

4033
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:16,319
my own son was surprised when junior

4034
02:35:19,349 --> 02:35:18,240
college in california

4035
02:35:21,750 --> 02:35:19,359
why are they holding it in the big

4036
02:35:22,790 --> 02:35:21,760
auditorium dad i hate to disappoint you

4037
02:35:24,070 --> 02:35:22,800
but

4038
02:35:26,630 --> 02:35:24,080
you're not going to have many people

4039
02:35:27,750 --> 02:35:26,640
here i don't think we had 1200 and i was

4040
02:35:29,750 --> 02:35:27,760
delighted

4041
02:35:32,150 --> 02:35:29,760
much more than anybody expected i will

4042
02:35:33,990 --> 02:35:32,160
grant because people are

4043
02:35:35,830 --> 02:35:34,000
interested but they're afraid to admit

4044
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:35,840
the interest unless the circumstances

4045
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:38,240
are right since you raised the question

4046
02:35:41,990 --> 02:35:40,880
what does your son think about this ufo

4047
02:35:44,630 --> 02:35:42,000
stuff

4048
02:35:45,910 --> 02:35:44,640
well i hate to say it but i've lost both

4049
02:35:48,710 --> 02:35:45,920
of my sons

4050
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:48,720
my younger one was certainly interested

4051
02:35:53,510 --> 02:35:51,520
he's sat at my table and helped me sell

4052
02:35:55,190 --> 02:35:53,520
books and stuff like that he was

4053
02:35:56,389 --> 02:35:55,200
intrigued

4054
02:35:58,389 --> 02:35:56,399
and so

4055
02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:58,399
what can i say

4056
02:36:02,309 --> 02:36:00,640
people have responded very well

4057
02:36:04,070 --> 02:36:02,319
my parents were a little worried when

4058
02:36:05,990 --> 02:36:04,080
they came to a lecture what were people

4059
02:36:07,910 --> 02:36:06,000
going to say

4060
02:36:10,309 --> 02:36:07,920
but then they took pride when they saw

4061
02:36:13,750 --> 02:36:10,319
the response was good

4062
02:36:17,750 --> 02:36:15,750
where's the next generation of ufo

4063
02:36:20,230 --> 02:36:17,760
researchers coming from we have about a

4064
02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:20,240
minute for your answer about probably

4065
02:36:24,469 --> 02:36:22,399
from the internet i like to use john

4066
02:36:26,870 --> 02:36:24,479
greenwald as an excellent example of an

4067
02:36:28,309 --> 02:36:26,880
outstanding guy and probably people who

4068
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:28,319
are going to

4069
02:36:33,990 --> 02:36:31,040
look into the computer and the

4070
02:36:35,590 --> 02:36:34,000
much different approach than in the past

4071
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:35,600
and some people who will have guts

4072
02:36:38,070 --> 02:36:36,399
enough

4073
02:36:41,190 --> 02:36:38,080
we're getting away from the fact that

4074
02:36:42,870 --> 02:36:41,200
the notion of aliens

4075
02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:42,880
is something to be laughed at it's

4076
02:36:47,429 --> 02:36:44,720
something to be

4077
02:36:48,630 --> 02:36:47,439
savored i think is more like it so i

4078
02:36:51,190 --> 02:36:48,640
don't worry i think there will be

4079
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:51,200
another generation of ufologists

4080
02:36:56,309 --> 02:36:53,280
i still got nine years to go both my

4081
02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:56,319
parents lived to be 90 and i'm 81 so

4082
02:37:00,950 --> 02:36:59,520
i'm not shuffling off this coil yet guys

4083
02:37:02,870 --> 02:37:00,960
maybe next year

4084
02:37:04,710 --> 02:37:02,880
please don't say that stanton friedman

4085
02:37:09,469 --> 02:37:04,720
please tell our listeners where they can

4086
02:37:13,110 --> 02:37:11,110
www.stantonfriedman.com it lists the

4087
02:37:14,550 --> 02:37:13,120
lectures i give it lists the books the

4088
02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:14,560
dvds

4089
02:37:18,710 --> 02:37:16,399
other stuff like blue book special

4090
02:37:20,550 --> 02:37:18,720
report 14 that's not a book

4091
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:20,560
but it's not a dvd but it's the biggest

4092
02:37:23,110 --> 02:37:22,080
study ever done

4093
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:23,120
and i don't know where else you can get

4094
02:37:26,469 --> 02:37:25,200
it besides for me because i think it's

4095
02:37:28,469 --> 02:37:26,479
important

4096
02:37:29,910 --> 02:37:28,479
so have at it folks there's plenty of

4097
02:37:31,590 --> 02:37:29,920
data there

4098
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:31,600
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4106
02:37:50,710 --> 02:37:48,399
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4107
02:37:52,309 --> 02:37:50,720
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4108
02:37:53,910 --> 02:37:52,319
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02:37:55,910 --> 02:37:53,920
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4110
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:55,920
they spent 19 billion dollars in that

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4112
02:38:00,710 --> 02:37:58,960
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us on the power cast

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you're very welcome have a good one

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[Music]

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the paracast featuring jean steinberg

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and christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible

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incorporated